No I don't think so. Physics still rules O.K.! Alan What I said was straight out of the physics book. Duncan and Starling. The triangle and the stars and the parallel light beams were all theirs. Perhaps 1954 is too primitive for you Alan. Ill see if I can scan it and post to the list later. Is there any reason why this list cannot display html? The subject matter really needs a diagram at times. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Griffin" <ajg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:31 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Challenge On 08 Aug, Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: