[geocentrism] Re: Ancient calendars-Velikovsky
- From: Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:23:21 -0600
Hi Gary,
I appreciate your welcome and your sharing your knowledge of
Velikovsky's works. I have much to learn. I have read only Worlds in
Collision, but have ordered several other of his books from ebay. These
other books have not yet arrived because I did not want to pay for
airmail from England... Now, whether I have fallen in love with his
writings, I'm not sure. But, I surely don't want to discount his
information.
Carl
Gary Shelton wrote:
>Hello Carl, and welcome.
>
>I might be one of the few people who can say he totally fell into love with
>Velikovsky's writings. I read every one of his books, I believe, and found
>him thoroughly fascinating. That was about 10 years ago. I have learned
>much since then, and, for one, no longer fall into the devoted Velikovsky
>camp. For example, I no longer believe the Queen of Sheba was the same
>person as the pharoah Hatshepsut. David Rohl in his book Pharaohs and Kings
>pretty much knocked this out with his identification of Saul being Lebayu in
>the Egyptian writings, though this doesn't discount V's thesis being a heck
>of a read, in my opinion. That he didn't get all the details right has got
>him a lot of bad press over the years. This is true. But its hardly fair.
>Velikovsky was a free thinker who saw that the King Had No Clothes. He saw
>that the standard Eyptian timeline was enormously out of whack. And it had
>been that way since the decoding of the Rosetta Stone. Even to this day,
>the truth of the screwed up Egyptian timeline still serves to anchor down
>the truth with its wrong-headed thinking.
>
>So, the main benefit of Velikovsky's work, in my humble opinion, and one
>that was never properly credited in my view, was his bringing back to the
>Bible back some of its long lost credence. V showed how some of the stories
>could have been true, timewise, and possibly were in reality, actually true.
>For instance, where did the manna come from that fed the Children of Israel
>in the desert? Velikovsky postulated that Venus' cometary tail (Venus had
>been previously claimed to have been a comet expelled from the Great Red
>Spot of Jupiter) near flyby could have accounted for that occurring at that
>precise time.
>And even more intriguingly, Velikovsky identified Egyptian monument writing
>discussing a pharaoh who died in a mysterious "whirlpool" at a place called
>Pi-ha-Khiroth...the same exact place the Israelites encamped on the Red Sea
>in the book of Exodus. The pharaoh identified was not Ramses II.
>
>Nonetheless, the secular school of thought couldn't accept any of this.
>They had to use an alternative to the Bible, so they chose the Egyptian
>timeline, right or wrong, and have stuck with it despite all of the dogged
>evidence of things like the fact that Ramses III (conventionally lived 1200
>BC or so) had Greek inscriptions on his mortuary monument in the Nile delta
>dating from the days of Plato, or 400 BC, not 1200 BC.
>
>Carl, Cheryl here gave us a website to a Gordon Bane's site where he talks
>about Fibonacci numbers. (That site is
>http://www.geocentricbible.com/id25.htm if you care to check it out.) One
>of the intriguing things is how they skip the earth and how the only
>discrepancies of any note apply to Venus and Mars. The author, one Fred
>Wilson, attributes this to the cataclysm at the time of the Biblical Flood.
>Velikovsky, of course as you know, discussed Venus and Mars extensively in
>his writings, and how they approached the earth, especially Venus in Worlds
>in Collision. For those who haven't read it, V makes a good case for the
>period of Venus in those days being the cause for the 50 year Jubilee (still
>observed today) asking, of course, why it wasn't 49 years...a more Biblical
>number. Also, the time of Hezekiah's extended life on earth was reputed, by
>Velikovsky, to correspond the the 15 year period of Mars' close approach to
>the earth. V claimed that this is what caused the Biblical shadow to move
>backward and then forward the ten degrees.
>
>Despite his shortcomings, I always felt V's identification of the Greek's
>"Oedipus" with the Egyptian "Akhnaton" to be powerfully compelling. His
>side by side comparison of the family trees between the two characters, one
>fictitious, one real, is nothing short of astounding. They are exact
>copies. V's connection as to how Aknaton obliterated references to his
>father throughout Egypt and how Queen Tuy, Akhnaton's mother, was always
>around....fascinating. Read Oedipus and Akhnaton for the story.
>
>Velikovsky's third book, Earth in Upheaval, was an eye-opening look at
>catastrophism, written in the mid 50's. With the notable and non-sequitur
>exception of his advocacy of punctuated evolution in that book, he made a
>superb case for creationism's young earth. The La Brea Tar Pits, the
>mammoths in Siberia, the islands of the arctic ocean loaded with flood
>debris, the cattle still frozen to this day in a Tibetan river as they
>attempted to swim across it in the remote past...you all know the stories.
>Velikovsky was where I first read about all of this.
>
>Was Velikovsky good or bad? He was, after all, a heliocentrist. Indeed, he
>claimed that the earth had sometime in its past "flipped over", possibly
>even turning into a drunk sailor with the Venuvian encounters. But though
>he didn't hold to the Bible he equally disavowed convential sciences. So
>the thing about Velikovsky one can indisputedly say was that he was a
>fence-sitter. He made no friends on either side while doing a fabulous job
>of raising the ire of all who despised, as Velikovsky (self-praising himself
>in 'Worlds In Collision') described as his "turning a page in the book of
>knowledge".
>
>Having been in this geocentric argument now for three years, I can
>understand both the indifference of the Christians and the intolerance of
>the scientists. Velikovsky was a genius. But geniuses aren't patronized in
>either world, especially ones who are a little cantankerous.
>
>Was Velikovsky good or bad then? On balance, very good, I say.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Gary Shelton
>
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>From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:48 PM
>Subject: [geocentrism] Ancient calendars
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>>Neville, Steven, and group,
>>By way of introduction, I am trained as an Entomologist (Ph.D.
>>Mississippi State University, 1989) and was employed by Pennsylvania
>>State University for ten years before opting for a more Biblical
>>lifestyle in Arkansas. I have espoused most of the viewpoints of
>>Institute of Creation Research through graduate school and beyond. I
>>feel that my contribution to creation understanding is a demonstration
>>that the Hebrew alphabet is formed around the words 'Israel' and 'Zion.'
>>'Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal' rejected the paper, but I have
>>put it online (http://yahuah.org/IZCentral.html).
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>>My family and I began to observe a solar/lunar "Creation calendar" (Gen.
>>1: 14) about a year ago in which the 6 working days, weekly Sabbaths,
>>and New Moon Days are mutually exclusive (Eze. 46: 1, 3). Through
>>others who are observing this calendar I was introduced to the geostatic
>>world view. I have perused your web site, look forward to your new CD,
>>and have been following the discussions on this list.
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>>I recently read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision and noted his ancient
>>calendar study pointing to a 360 day year in the past. This, plus the
>>prophetic 360 day year of the Scriptures, leads me to wonder if the
>>current length of the year is different from that at creation or whether
>>the 360 day calendar is based on something else. Velikovsky argued that
>>the Plagues and Joshua's long day were a result of brushes with comets
>>and that the hail that fell in both was likely meteors. He argued that
>>it was the earth's rotation that was altered. Does the geostatic
>>position allow for "natural" explanations for the cataclysmic events in
>>earth history? Does the geostatic position allow for a change in the
>>length of the solar year?
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>>C. M. Felland
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