[geocentrism] Re: Ancient calendars-Velikovsky
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:26:50 -0500
My goodness, Gary -- You are so well-read. The amazing thing to me is you
remember what you read. I'm one of those people who has forgotten more than
I'll ever know! Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:33 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Ancient calendars-Velikovsky
> Hello Carl, and welcome.
>
> I might be one of the few people who can say he totally fell into love
with
> Velikovsky's writings. I read every one of his books, I believe, and
found
> him thoroughly fascinating. That was about 10 years ago. I have learned
> much since then, and, for one, no longer fall into the devoted Velikovsky
> camp. For example, I no longer believe the Queen of Sheba was the same
> person as the pharoah Hatshepsut. David Rohl in his book Pharaohs and
Kings
> pretty much knocked this out with his identification of Saul being Lebayu
in
> the Egyptian writings, though this doesn't discount V's thesis being a
heck
> of a read, in my opinion. That he didn't get all the details right has
got
> him a lot of bad press over the years. This is true. But its hardly
fair.
> Velikovsky was a free thinker who saw that the King Had No Clothes. He
saw
> that the standard Eyptian timeline was enormously out of whack. And it
had
> been that way since the decoding of the Rosetta Stone. Even to this day,
> the truth of the screwed up Egyptian timeline still serves to anchor down
> the truth with its wrong-headed thinking.
>
> So, the main benefit of Velikovsky's work, in my humble opinion, and one
> that was never properly credited in my view, was his bringing back to the
> Bible back some of its long lost credence. V showed how some of the
stories
> could have been true, timewise, and possibly were in reality, actually
true.
> For instance, where did the manna come from that fed the Children of
Israel
> in the desert? Velikovsky postulated that Venus' cometary tail (Venus had
> been previously claimed to have been a comet expelled from the Great Red
> Spot of Jupiter) near flyby could have accounted for that occurring at
that
> precise time.
> And even more intriguingly, Velikovsky identified Egyptian monument
writing
> discussing a pharaoh who died in a mysterious "whirlpool" at a place
called
> Pi-ha-Khiroth...the same exact place the Israelites encamped on the Red
Sea
> in the book of Exodus. The pharaoh identified was not Ramses II.
>
> Nonetheless, the secular school of thought couldn't accept any of this.
> They had to use an alternative to the Bible, so they chose the Egyptian
> timeline, right or wrong, and have stuck with it despite all of the dogged
> evidence of things like the fact that Ramses III (conventionally lived
1200
> BC or so) had Greek inscriptions on his mortuary monument in the Nile
delta
> dating from the days of Plato, or 400 BC, not 1200 BC.
>
> Carl, Cheryl here gave us a website to a Gordon Bane's site where he talks
> about Fibonacci numbers. (That site is
> http://www.geocentricbible.com/id25.htm if you care to check it out.)
One
> of the intriguing things is how they skip the earth and how the only
> discrepancies of any note apply to Venus and Mars. The author, one Fred
> Wilson, attributes this to the cataclysm at the time of the Biblical
Flood.
> Velikovsky, of course as you know, discussed Venus and Mars extensively in
> his writings, and how they approached the earth, especially Venus in
Worlds
> in Collision. For those who haven't read it, V makes a good case for the
> period of Venus in those days being the cause for the 50 year Jubilee
(still
> observed today) asking, of course, why it wasn't 49 years...a more
Biblical
> number. Also, the time of Hezekiah's extended life on earth was reputed,
by
> Velikovsky, to correspond the the 15 year period of Mars' close approach
to
> the earth. V claimed that this is what caused the Biblical shadow to move
> backward and then forward the ten degrees.
>
> Despite his shortcomings, I always felt V's identification of the Greek's
> "Oedipus" with the Egyptian "Akhnaton" to be powerfully compelling. His
> side by side comparison of the family trees between the two characters,
one
> fictitious, one real, is nothing short of astounding. They are exact
> copies. V's connection as to how Aknaton obliterated references to his
> father throughout Egypt and how Queen Tuy, Akhnaton's mother, was always
> around....fascinating. Read Oedipus and Akhnaton for the story.
>
> Velikovsky's third book, Earth in Upheaval, was an eye-opening look at
> catastrophism, written in the mid 50's. With the notable and non-sequitur
> exception of his advocacy of punctuated evolution in that book, he made a
> superb case for creationism's young earth. The La Brea Tar Pits, the
> mammoths in Siberia, the islands of the arctic ocean loaded with flood
> debris, the cattle still frozen to this day in a Tibetan river as they
> attempted to swim across it in the remote past...you all know the stories.
> Velikovsky was where I first read about all of this.
>
> Was Velikovsky good or bad? He was, after all, a heliocentrist. Indeed,
he
> claimed that the earth had sometime in its past "flipped over", possibly
> even turning into a drunk sailor with the Venuvian encounters. But though
> he didn't hold to the Bible he equally disavowed convential sciences. So
> the thing about Velikovsky one can indisputedly say was that he was a
> fence-sitter. He made no friends on either side while doing a fabulous
job
> of raising the ire of all who despised, as Velikovsky (self-praising
himself
> in 'Worlds In Collision') described as his "turning a page in the book of
> knowledge".
>
> Having been in this geocentric argument now for three years, I can
> understand both the indifference of the Christians and the intolerance of
> the scientists. Velikovsky was a genius. But geniuses aren't patronized
in
> either world, especially ones who are a little cantankerous.
>
> Was Velikovsky good or bad then? On balance, very good, I say.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gary Shelton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:48 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Ancient calendars
>
>
> > Neville, Steven, and group,
> > By way of introduction, I am trained as an Entomologist (Ph.D.
> > Mississippi State University, 1989) and was employed by Pennsylvania
> > State University for ten years before opting for a more Biblical
> > lifestyle in Arkansas. I have espoused most of the viewpoints of
> > Institute of Creation Research through graduate school and beyond. I
> > feel that my contribution to creation understanding is a demonstration
> > that the Hebrew alphabet is formed around the words 'Israel' and 'Zion.'
> > 'Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal' rejected the paper, but I have
> > put it online (http://yahuah.org/IZCentral.html).
> >
> > My family and I began to observe a solar/lunar "Creation calendar" (Gen.
> > 1: 14) about a year ago in which the 6 working days, weekly Sabbaths,
> > and New Moon Days are mutually exclusive (Eze. 46: 1, 3). Through
> > others who are observing this calendar I was introduced to the geostatic
> > world view. I have perused your web site, look forward to your new CD,
> > and have been following the discussions on this list.
> >
> > I recently read Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision and noted his ancient
> > calendar study pointing to a 360 day year in the past. This, plus the
> > prophetic 360 day year of the Scriptures, leads me to wonder if the
> > current length of the year is different from that at creation or whether
> > the 360 day calendar is based on something else. Velikovsky argued that
> > the Plagues and Joshua's long day were a result of brushes with comets
> > and that the hail that fell in both was likely meteors. He argued that
> > it was the earth's rotation that was altered. Does the geostatic
> > position allow for "natural" explanations for the cataclysmic events in
> > earth history? Does the geostatic position allow for a change in the
> > length of the solar year?
> >
> > C. M. Felland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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