Hi Paul, Wow! That's what I call an amazing spelling error. A spell checker would not have noticed that! I know that there are those who would see it as God gently pointing out something to me. :-) Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Deema To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:38 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Jack L This heliocentrist is NOT saying that the second (annual revolution) motion cannot be detected. I have been describing how it CAN be detected for a year and a half but unfortunately this seems to be in most everyone's dark cupboard into which none of you seem to have the courage look. I've tried to remove the subject from this emotional exclusion zone by shifting the phenomenon to Mars but that didn't work either. See several short posts "Translational motion of Mars". Egocentrism? Spelling error or is there a point here that I am missing? Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2007 9:08:38 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing Dear All, In the heliocentric model it would appear that there are two movements taking place, which is not disputed, but the observations support only one movement- egocentrism. The heliocentrists seem to be saying that the second movement cannot be detected for reasons I do not understand. Will it help if I ask the question, why can't it be detected if it exists? We can't see the moon turning actually but we know it does simply by the observations and dynamics involved. Therefore I would expect the helios to be able to do the same. Jack