[duxuser] Re: unwanted italics
- From: Päivi Suhonen <paivi.suhonen@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:11:38 +0300
Hi everybody,
I'm quite new here, but I think can tell you some of my experiencies. Correct
me if I have understood something wrong.
We are starting to produce braille books from Daisy-xml with Duxbury and I have
done some research in this subject. In Daisy-xml the bold and italic are
represented as in html. The problem arises from the fact that Duxbury
translates these into codes, not styles. If they were translated into styles,
it would be easy to set in your template the rule for the styles. But as they
are codes, the only solution is to remove them from the Daisy-xml before
entering Duxbury, if you don't want them in Braille.
Regards,
Päivi
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Lähettäjä: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
käyttäjän Susan [chrn3292@xxxxxxx] puolesta
Lähetetty: 27. elokuuta 2009 8:17
Vastaanottaja: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Aihe: [duxuser] Re: unwanted italics
The "rest of the story" is pretty murky. Jean's problem wasn't what I was
expecting. In fact, I couldn't duplicate her problem with her files. Her doc
file came from a pdf file, and she doesn't know the details of how it was
pulled from pdf, so we can't sort it out. So, Jean's particular issue is still
a mystery.
Here's what I can tell you.
1) Yes, ABBYY FineReader 9 is one of the issues. Earlier versions are OK. FR 9
now assigns font styles, and so text that is emphasized in some way will have a
unique numbered font style assigned. In the processing of cleaning up your file
in Word, you may decide to get rid of unnecessary emphasis, such as text that
is recognized as bold, but in fact is just a heavier font in the text. You get
the file to look the way you want it, but when you open the file in DBT, you
find you have all the emphasis you worked at getting rid of. The solution is to
either delete the font style in Word or redefine the style. In other words, you
need to understand how to use and modify styles correctly, vs. manually
changing text in the document. If you want to avoid this problem altogether,
choose the option to save the file to Word 2007 docx, as font styles do not
come through in those files. Note, sending the file to Word 2007 keeps the font
styles, so the file must be saved as docx. Once you have the file open in Word,
you'll need to save the file back to the doc option so you can open it in DBT.
Obviously another option is to save as txt, but for many situations that's
going to create more work in the long run.
Don't automatically decide to avoid the styles altogether by going the docx
route if you understand styles and find/replace. Font styles can come in handy
for quickly formatting a document.
2) OmniPage also assigns styles, and I get sporadic problems with those files,
but at this point I can't pinpoint specifics. I can't remember what version
OmniPage introduced styles, so if you use a version older than 16, make sure
you check out what you are dealing with in the options. Recent versions do have
an option to not save styles, but I'm not finding consistent results one way or
the other with that option checked. Again, if you are finding emphasis issues
and you are using a recent version of OmniPage, try saving to docx and then
back to doc.
3) If you copy/paste text from the internet, you can also run into this same
problem. Italics are styled as "Emphasis" and bold is styled as "Strong." Let's
say you don't want to keep the bold. There are a couple of different ways you
may do that globally, but if you don't deal with the Strong style by either
redefining it or deleting the Strong style from that document, you'll still end
up with emphasis when you open the file in DBT.
In communicating with Peter Sullivan at Duxbury about this issue, he informs me
that DBT is doing what it's designed to do.
That's what I know for the "rest of the story" right now, but I'm guessing
there is more to learn.
Susan
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Blake
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:29 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: unwanted italics
Importance: High
Aloha Betsy,
I too would be interested to know if the Scanner Software is ABBYY Fine Reader
9.0 Professional - even if I change the default 'Style/s' to Arial and get rid
of all the others there is some strange 'hard coding' going on between ABBYY
and Word which does not show up until you use the Swift macro to transfer the
document from word to Duxbury!
Best regards,
John.
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From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Betsy Whitney
Sent: 19 August 2009 00:20
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: unwanted italics
Please let us all know "the rest of the story.
Betsy
At 01:15 PM 8/18/2009, you wrote:
Hello Susan,
The file was originally a PDF. I believe it was scanned into (or pasted) into
an RTF and then cleaned up for e-text. I took the RTF and converted it to a
DOC, and then put it into my file with the DBT template.
I'll copy the rtf and doc files tomorrow if you'd like to see them. I couldn't
find any underlying reasons, but I'd love to know your suspicions.
Thanks.
Jean
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