[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion

  • From: "Ian Robinson" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:14:56 +0100

Hi George,

If I'd known you were going to write that answer, I could have saved myself
the trouble.  <smile>

If I've understood your message correctly, then we are thinking on broadly
the same lines.

Cheers.

Ian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion


> Hi Peter,
>
> My comments are based on the GLOBAL: Embosser Setup and 8th June
> untested build.
>
> > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be selected in the
> list automatically?
>
> Yes, but only for the purposes of making changes to Lines, Characters,
> margin, etc..!  Since the newly added configuration is not selected by
> default, there is a very serious danger that a user may make changes to
> the wrong configuration.  (And get murdered by his or her boss!)
>
> But also remember, by simply moving focus to a specific configuration in
> GLOBAL Embosser setup, THAT becomes the default configuration when you
> create a new document.  So when the new configuration IS correctly
> selected and amended, unless the user changes the selection, THAT
> becomes the default.
>
> Personally speaking, I would like to see a "Default" configuration
> appropriately marked "(Default)" in the list. (and stored in the
> Registry).
>
> Then, similar to adding a printer in Windows, you are asked, "Do you
> wish to make XXX your default configuration for all new documents?"
>
> > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another configuration be
> selected?  If so, which?
>
> If the suggestion above was implemented, select the Default.  If the
> Default is selected for deletion, two dialogs:-
> 1)  You are about to delete the Default configuration XXX, are you sure
> you want to do this?"
> 2)  You have deleted the default configuration, you must now select a
> new default.
>
> > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if Cancel is
> used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document,  Embosser Setup"
> dialog?
>
> (Tries to think cautiously!)
>
> I'd say "No" here, on the basis that if changes are made, the user is
> (or should be) asked to confirm changes anyway.
>
> George.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: 07 June 2004 20:01
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> >
> > Ian,
> >
> > The confusion of course may be alleviated.  I pose the
> > following questions:
> >
> > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be selected
> > in the list automatically?
> > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another
> > configuration be selected?  If so, which?
> > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if
> > Cancel is used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document,
> > Embosser Setup" dialog?
> >
> > On that third question, I urge caution before jumping in with
> > a "Yes".  The reason that I urge caution is that making the
> > configuration changes permanent, while rejecting other
> > changes in the dialog, could leave us with the choice of
> > having DBT issue a "This won't fit" warning when Cancel is
> > used for the dialog or having DBT ignore the "This won't fit"
> > message until a document is embossed.  In either case, if a
> > configuration change results in a "This won't fit" situation,
> > the user who Cancels out of the outermost dialog may be
> > confused by this.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:45 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > Yes, I was getting confused.  Mind you, I think others will
> > too when DBT goes public.  Good luck to George with the Help
> > files. <smile>
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:29 PM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> >
> >
> > > Ian,
> > >
> > > I agree that this might be confusing.
> > >
> > > But your analysis is also confused.  You aren't changing
> > the settings
> > > "for the wrong setup".  The settings in the dialog you are
> > operating
> > > at this point are constrained by, but are in no way
> > affiliated with,
> > > the selected configuration.  That is, your job in this dialog is to
> > > choose a configuration and choose document settings that
> > are compatible with it.
> > The
> > > document settings don't affect the configuration.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:35 AM
> > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser setup confusion
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > using Beta 3, Build Date: 24 May 2004.
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has got confused by the Embosser
> > > setup dialogue.
> > >
> > > 1.  Choose Embosser Setup from either the Global or Document menus.
> > >
> > > 2.  Press the New button and enter a setup name.
> > >
> > > 3.  Choose an embosser, then press the OK button.
> > >
> > > 4.  Control returns to the Setup dialogue, with the focus on the New
> > button.
> > >
> > > at which point, the instinctive thing to do, is to tab through the
> > > rest of the dialogue setting the lines per page etc.
> > Unfortunately,
> > > the selected setup is not the one just created, but the one
> > that was
> > > selected when the New button was pressed.
> > >
> > > Put simply, the instinctive thing to do is change the
> > settings for the
> > wrong
> > > setup!
> > >
> > > Maybe it is more obvious to sighted users that the settings
> > are about
> > > to
> > be
> > > changed for the wrong setup, but for speech users I reckon
> > it is too
> > > easy
> > to
> > > make a mistake.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
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