[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:01:25 -0700

Hi Peter:

On this issue, I had trouble deleting configurations, as I think I mentioned
before. I even set up different configurations, but was unable to remove
any.  As there is a lot written on the list, I will try to review it all
concommitantly with the help provided in DBT, although I think poor old
over-worked George is still addressing this.

Cheers

Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion


> George, Ian, and All,
>
> Currently, there is no concept of a "default configuration".  How would I
go
> about adding such a concept?
>
> Moreover -- I'll say it again -- nothing that you change outside of the
> three-tabbed dialog affects the configuration.  So there is no "danger of
> making a change to the wrong configuration."  There is indeed not the
> slightest possibilty of making a change to any configuration at this point
> -- not even if you want to.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of George Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:19 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
>
> Then I'm glad you didn't know I was writing that, Ian.  (Smile)
>
> At least we have come to the same conclusions pretty much independently.
>
> George.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > Sent: 08 June 2004 11:15
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> >
> > Hi George,
> >
> > If I'd known you were going to write that answer, I could have saved
> > myself the trouble.  <smile>
> >
> > If I've understood your message correctly, then we are thinking on
> > broadly the same lines.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> >
> >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > My comments are based on the GLOBAL: Embosser Setup and 8th June
> > > untested build.
> > >
> > > > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be
> > selected in the
> > > list automatically?
> > >
> > > Yes, but only for the purposes of making changes to Lines,
> > Characters,
> > > margin, etc..!  Since the newly added configuration is not
> > selected by
> > > default, there is a very serious danger that a user may
> > make changes to
> > > the wrong configuration.  (And get murdered by his or her boss!)
> > >
> > > But also remember, by simply moving focus to a specific
> > configuration in
> > > GLOBAL Embosser setup, THAT becomes the default
> > configuration when you
> > > create a new document.  So when the new configuration IS correctly
> > > selected and amended, unless the user changes the selection, THAT
> > > becomes the default.
> > >
> > > Personally speaking, I would like to see a "Default" configuration
> > > appropriately marked "(Default)" in the list. (and stored in the
> > > Registry).
> > >
> > > Then, similar to adding a printer in Windows, you are asked, "Do you
> > > wish to make XXX your default configuration for all new documents?"
> > >
> > > > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another
> > configuration be
> > > selected?  If so, which?
> > >
> > > If the suggestion above was implemented, select the Default.  If the
> > > Default is selected for deletion, two dialogs:-
> > > 1)  You are about to delete the Default configuration XXX,
> > are you sure
> > > you want to do this?"
> > > 2)  You have deleted the default configuration, you must
> > now select a
> > > new default.
> > >
> > > > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if
> > Cancel is
> > > used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document,  Embosser Setup"
> > > dialog?
> > >
> > > (Tries to think cautiously!)
> > >
> > > I'd say "No" here, on the basis that if changes are made,
> > the user is
> > > (or should be) asked to confirm changes anyway.
> > >
> > > George.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > > > Sent: 07 June 2004 20:01
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > > >
> > > > Ian,
> > > >
> > > > The confusion of course may be alleviated.  I pose the following
> > > > questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be selected in
> > > > the list automatically?
> > > > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another configuration
> > > > be selected?  If so, which?
> > > > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if Cancel
> > > > is used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document, Embosser
> > > > Setup" dialog?
> > > >
> > > > On that third question, I urge caution before jumping in with a
> > > > "Yes".  The reason that I urge caution is that making the
> > > > configuration changes permanent, while rejecting other changes in
> > > > the dialog, could leave us with the choice of having DBT issue a
> > > > "This won't fit" warning when Cancel is used for the dialog or
> > > > having DBT ignore the "This won't fit"
> > > > message until a document is embossed.  In either case, if a
> > > > configuration change results in a "This won't fit" situation, the
> > > > user who Cancels out of the outermost dialog may be confused by
> > > > this.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:45 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > > >
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I was getting confused.  Mind you, I think others will too
> > > > when DBT goes public.  Good luck to George with the Help files.
> > > > <smile>
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:29 PM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ian,
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that this might be confusing.
> > > > >
> > > > > But your analysis is also confused.  You aren't changing
> > > > the settings
> > > > > "for the wrong setup".  The settings in the dialog you are
> > > > operating
> > > > > at this point are constrained by, but are in no way
> > > > affiliated with,
> > > > > the selected configuration.  That is, your job in this
> > dialog is to
> > > > > choose a configuration and choose document settings that
> > > > are compatible with it.
> > > > The
> > > > > document settings don't affect the configuration.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:35 AM
> > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser setup confusion
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > using Beta 3, Build Date: 24 May 2004.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has got confused by
> > the Embosser
> > > > > setup dialogue.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.  Choose Embosser Setup from either the Global or
> > Document menus.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.  Press the New button and enter a setup name.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3.  Choose an embosser, then press the OK button.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4.  Control returns to the Setup dialogue, with the
> > focus on the New
> > > > button.
> > > > >
> > > > > at which point, the instinctive thing to do, is to tab
> > through the
> > > > > rest of the dialogue setting the lines per page etc.
> > > > Unfortunately,
> > > > > the selected setup is not the one just created, but the one
> > > > that was
> > > > > selected when the New button was pressed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Put simply, the instinctive thing to do is change the
> > > > settings for the
> > > > wrong
> > > > > setup!
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe it is more obvious to sighted users that the settings
> > > > are about
> > > > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > changed for the wrong setup, but for speech users I reckon
> > > > it is too
> > > > > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > make a mistake.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > >
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