[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:18:31 +0100

Then I'm glad you didn't know I was writing that, Ian.  (Smile)

At least we have come to the same conclusions pretty much independently.

George.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> Sent: 08 June 2004 11:15
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion 
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> If I'd known you were going to write that answer, I could 
> have saved myself the trouble.  <smile>
> 
> If I've understood your message correctly, then we are 
> thinking on broadly the same lines.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Ian
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:07 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> 
> 
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > My comments are based on the GLOBAL: Embosser Setup and 8th June
> > untested build.
> >
> > > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be 
> selected in the
> > list automatically?
> >
> > Yes, but only for the purposes of making changes to Lines, 
> Characters,
> > margin, etc..!  Since the newly added configuration is not 
> selected by
> > default, there is a very serious danger that a user may 
> make changes to
> > the wrong configuration.  (And get murdered by his or her boss!)
> >
> > But also remember, by simply moving focus to a specific 
> configuration in
> > GLOBAL Embosser setup, THAT becomes the default 
> configuration when you
> > create a new document.  So when the new configuration IS correctly
> > selected and amended, unless the user changes the selection, THAT
> > becomes the default.
> >
> > Personally speaking, I would like to see a "Default" configuration
> > appropriately marked "(Default)" in the list. (and stored in the
> > Registry).
> >
> > Then, similar to adding a printer in Windows, you are asked, "Do you
> > wish to make XXX your default configuration for all new documents?"
> >
> > > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another 
> configuration be
> > selected?  If so, which?
> >
> > If the suggestion above was implemented, select the Default.  If the
> > Default is selected for deletion, two dialogs:-
> > 1)  You are about to delete the Default configuration XXX, 
> are you sure
> > you want to do this?"
> > 2)  You have deleted the default configuration, you must 
> now select a
> > new default.
> >
> > > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if 
> Cancel is
> > used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document,  Embosser Setup"
> > dialog?
> >
> > (Tries to think cautiously!)
> >
> > I'd say "No" here, on the basis that if changes are made, 
> the user is
> > (or should be) asked to confirm changes anyway.
> >
> > George.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > > Sent: 07 June 2004 20:01
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > >
> > > Ian,
> > >
> > > The confusion of course may be alleviated.  I pose the
> > > following questions:
> > >
> > > 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be selected
> > > in the list automatically?
> > > 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another
> > > configuration be selected?  If so, which?
> > > 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if
> > > Cancel is used in the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document,
> > > Embosser Setup" dialog?
> > >
> > > On that third question, I urge caution before jumping in with
> > > a "Yes".  The reason that I urge caution is that making the
> > > configuration changes permanent, while rejecting other
> > > changes in the dialog, could leave us with the choice of
> > > having DBT issue a "This won't fit" warning when Cancel is
> > > used for the dialog or having DBT ignore the "This won't fit"
> > > message until a document is embossed.  In either case, if a
> > > configuration change results in a "This won't fit" situation,
> > > the user who Cancels out of the outermost dialog may be
> > > confused by this.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:45 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply.
> > >
> > > Yes, I was getting confused.  Mind you, I think others will
> > > too when DBT goes public.  Good luck to George with the Help
> > > files. <smile>
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:29 PM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ian,
> > > >
> > > > I agree that this might be confusing.
> > > >
> > > > But your analysis is also confused.  You aren't changing
> > > the settings
> > > > "for the wrong setup".  The settings in the dialog you are
> > > operating
> > > > at this point are constrained by, but are in no way
> > > affiliated with,
> > > > the selected configuration.  That is, your job in this 
> dialog is to
> > > > choose a configuration and choose document settings that
> > > are compatible with it.
> > > The
> > > > document settings don't affect the configuration.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:35 AM
> > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser setup confusion
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > using Beta 3, Build Date: 24 May 2004.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering if anyone else has got confused by 
> the Embosser
> > > > setup dialogue.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Choose Embosser Setup from either the Global or 
> Document menus.
> > > >
> > > > 2.  Press the New button and enter a setup name.
> > > >
> > > > 3.  Choose an embosser, then press the OK button.
> > > >
> > > > 4.  Control returns to the Setup dialogue, with the 
> focus on the New
> > > button.
> > > >
> > > > at which point, the instinctive thing to do, is to tab 
> through the
> > > > rest of the dialogue setting the lines per page etc.
> > > Unfortunately,
> > > > the selected setup is not the one just created, but the one
> > > that was
> > > > selected when the New button was pressed.
> > > >
> > > > Put simply, the instinctive thing to do is change the
> > > settings for the
> > > wrong
> > > > setup!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe it is more obvious to sighted users that the settings
> > > are about
> > > > to
> > > be
> > > > changed for the wrong setup, but for speech users I reckon
> > > it is too
> > > > easy
> > > to
> > > > make a mistake.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > >
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