[duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:26:19 -0400

Ian,

I think I understand your proposal, and it does seem to be built on an
understanding of how things currently work.  So that's a good start; I'll
ponder it for a bit.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ian Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:10 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion 

Hi Peter,

1.  The first change I would make would be to put the focus back to the list
of configurations, instead of the New button, after a configuration has been
created.  That draws the user's attention to the change that has taken
place.

Probably, the new configuration should be the one selected.  The danger then
is that the user will tab across to the OK button and press Enter.  In doing
so the default configuration for standard templates will be changed, which
may not have been intended.  Sure, a warning message will be displayed and
the user could press cancel.  After which, they would have to tab to the
list of configurations, choose the intended default, then press OK again.
One way to avoid this would be to include a button for setting the default,
a bit like setting the default template in the File Open/New dialogues.
Better still, not a button, but a check box.  That way, with the default
configuration selected, the check box could automatically be shown as
checked.

The check box would need to be between the configuration list and the New
button in the tab order.

So, the New button is pressed.
The user chooses the settings for the new configuration and presses OK.
The configurations list has the focus and the new configuration is selected.
Pressing tab moves to the "Set as default for standard templates" check box,
which at the moment is unchecked.
The user tabs through the rest of the dialogue and presses OK The new
configuration has been created and the default configuration has not been
inadvertently changed.

Having said that, I'm not sure how possible it would be to start adding a
control to a dialogue at this stage of the development.  One knock on effect
would be with the Document Embosser Setup.  Should the check box be
unavailable, or should the caption be changed to "Set as default for current
document"?

2.  As for deleting a configuration.  Again, I would suggest that focus
should return to the list of configurations.  If the default has not been
deleted then it could be selected.  If the default has been deleted, then a
warning message would need to be given asking the user to choose a new
default before closing the dialogue.  Presumably, the OK button would be
unavailable until a configuration has been selected and the check box
checked.

3.  I'm guessing it would go against your every instinct to have settings
applied when a Cancel button is pressed.  But then, with the above in place,
I can't see that such a method would be necessary.

Hope that's given you food for thought.

Cheers.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion


> Ian,
>
> The confusion of course may be alleviated.  I pose the following
questions:
>
> 1. When a New configuration is created, should it be selected in the list
> automatically?
> 2. When a configuration is deleted, should another configuration be
> selected?  If so, which?
> 3. Should configuration changes be made permanent even if Cancel is used
in
> the "Global, Embosser Setup" or "Document, Embosser Setup" dialog?
>
> On that third question, I urge caution before jumping in with a "Yes".
The
> reason that I urge caution is that making the configuration changes
> permanent, while rejecting other changes in the dialog, could leave us
with
> the choice of having DBT issue a "This won't fit" warning when Cancel is
> used for the dialog or having DBT ignore the "This won't fit" message
until
> a document is embossed.  In either case, if a configuration change results
> in a "This won't fit" situation, the user who Cancels out of the outermost
> dialog may be confused by this.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Yes, I was getting confused.  Mind you, I think others will too when DBT
> goes public.  Good luck to George with the Help files. <smile>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:29 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser setup confusion
>
>
> > Ian,
> >
> > I agree that this might be confusing.
> >
> > But your analysis is also confused.  You aren't changing the settings
"for
> > the wrong setup".  The settings in the dialog you are operating at this
> > point are constrained by, but are in no way affiliated with, the
selected
> > configuration.  That is, your job in this dialog is to choose a
> > configuration and choose document settings that are compatible with it.
> The
> > document settings don't affect the configuration.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:35 AM
> > To: List DBTBeta
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser setup confusion
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > using Beta 3, Build Date: 24 May 2004.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if anyone else has got confused by the Embosser setup
> > dialogue.
> >
> > 1.  Choose Embosser Setup from either the Global or Document menus.
> >
> > 2.  Press the New button and enter a setup name.
> >
> > 3.  Choose an embosser, then press the OK button.
> >
> > 4.  Control returns to the Setup dialogue, with the focus on the New
> button.
> >
> > at which point, the instinctive thing to do, is to tab through the rest
of
> > the dialogue setting the lines per page etc.  Unfortunately, the
selected
> > setup is not the one just created, but the one that was selected when
the
> > New button was pressed.
> >
> > Put simply, the instinctive thing to do is change the settings for the
> wrong
> > setup!
> >
> > Maybe it is more obvious to sighted users that the settings are about to
> be
> > changed for the wrong setup, but for speech users I reckon it is too
easy
> to
> > make a mistake.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
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