[duxhelp] Re: Default Templates

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  • Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:37:42 -0400

Sounds to me like we are arguing for the same thing with a different choice of 
words. I would not determine which template to install with "msiexec /a", only 
"msiexec /i". Anything that is automatically chosen during this install, I 
would have an override in the custom install method.

In the end, I can only state my preference. I hope that my arguments are clear 
about my preferences, but they are always subject to change with new 
information *smile*.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:26 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Default Templates
> 
> Michael,
> 
> OK.  But your argument isn't terribly convincing.  Regardless 
> of what you choose when setting up the network installation 
> image, you (or the end user) can override it when installing 
> on a particular computer (by choosing Custom
> Installation) or later (through either of two DBT dialogs).
> 
> However, I don't really wish to debate you about this.  It's 
> easier for me
> *not* to add this prompt to the Administrative sequence.  And 
> in a sense it would only muddle things up, as the primary 
> purpose of the Administrative sequence, from my point of 
> view, is to get licensing and activation issues set up properly.
> 
> So I'll leave well enough alone and leave this one out of the 
> Administrative sequence.
> 
> - Peter 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:12 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Default Templates
> 
> That would not be my first inclination. Imagine for a second 
> that you produce documents in 2 languages (Belgium, Quebec, 
> and Switzerland come to mind quickly as possible candidates 
> for this setup). One station is used for each language. For 
> this setup I would prefer that the template is chosen at the 
> install for the station, rather than for each install point.
> 
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> |            Michael Surato                 |
> |      Resource Center for Persons          |
> |           with Disabilities               |
> |      Michigan State University            |
> |            120 Bessey Hall                |
> |        East Lansing, MI 48824             |
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:35 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Default Templates
> > 
> > Michael,
> > 
> > I was glad to hear Oleg second your suggestion.  It's a bit 
> trickier 
> > than you might at first imagine.  (Everything about MSI 
> installers is 
> > trickier than one might at first imagine, in my opinion.)  So it's 
> > good to have some independent verification of the value of this.
> > 
> > As you know, when our MSI installer is run in 
> Administrative mode, we 
> > present some of the same screens that are presented to the 
> end user, 
> > and preserve the values that you set as an administrator.  This is 
> > intended primarily to make it easy for you to help the end user get 
> > the license text entered successfully.  Should we do the same thing 
> > for a default template prompt?  That is, should we present 
> that screen 
> > during Administrative setup and preserve the selection with the 
> > network installation image?
> > 
> > - Peter
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Surato
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:54 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Default Templates
> > 
> > My vote would be to have an override in the custom install for any 
> > automated action.
> > 
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> > |            Michael Surato                 |
> > |      Resource Center for Persons          |
> > |           with Disabilities               |
> > |      Michigan State University            |
> > |            120 Bessey Hall                |
> > |        East Lansing, MI 48824             |
> > | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Christian Coudert
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:45 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Default Templates
> > > 
> > > Peter:
> > > 
> > > OK for a template based on the locale.
> > > 
> > > The French template could be named "Francais 2006". We thought of 
> > > "Français unifié 2006" but accented letters are not well
> > tolerated by
> > > the software.
> > > Your suggestion for "Francais unifie 2006" is not very 
> satisfactory 
> > > for users who work with synthzsizers ("unifie"
> > > has a different meaning from "unifié").
> > > The best solution is probably "Francais 2006".
> > > 
> > > This template should be the default one for France and Quebec. It 
> > > cannot be the case for Belgium and Switzerland where they use two 
> > > languages.
> > > 
> > > Christian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:18 PM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Default Templates
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Beta Testers,
> > > 
> > > We've heard from a number of sources that we should do a 
> better job 
> > > choosing the default template at installation time.  We
> > should make a
> > > selection that is informed by the user's locale, rather than just 
> > > assuming that everybody will want to translate braille as
> > we do here
> > > in North America.
> > > 
> > > This makes sense to me, so I'm prepared to do this for this
> > release.  
> > > (For the record, this improvement is currently filed with 
> reference 
> > > number 1638.)
> > > 
> > > I think it best to do this based on the locale, and not the
> > interface
> > > language in which Windows is running.  If you have a different 
> > > opinion, please let me know right away.
> > > 
> > > We are probably only able to support a unique choice on a 
> > > country-by-country basis.  In fact, we aren't necessarily
> > able to do
> > > that.  The simplest thing to do is to use the International
> > Telephone
> > > Country Code.  The United States, Canada, and even some Carribean 
> > > locations are all considered to be the same location in 
> this scheme.
> > > Fortunately, the braille rules in the US and Canada are the
> > same, so
> > > one template should do well for both countries.
> > > 
> > > So, please let me know, either by sending be a message
> > directly or by
> > > responding to the group, what should be the default
> > template for users
> > > in your country?  And should that same template be used for other 
> > > nations as well?
> > > 
> > > - Peter
> > > 
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