Hi Post the issues you have with the FCT3 on this list and CC: it to applian tech support. Thank you. Petro --- Darrell Shandrow <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello Petro, > > As a staunch accessibility advocate, I nevertheless continue > to support your > efforts and those of Applian to be as accessible as possible. > I do hope > Applian has brought up the access issues with Conduit in hopes > of making > things better in the future. Let's not throw the proverbial > baby out with > the bathwater, everyone... :-) > > > > Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition > asking Yahoo! > to make their CAPTCHA accessible! > Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist > Information should be accessible to us without need of > translation by > another person. > Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: > http://www.blindaccessjournal.com > Check out high quality telecommunications services at > http://ld.net/?nu7i > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:05 AM > Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar > Scripts Wanted > > > Hi > Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what is > going > on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys get > up > and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the software > to > be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to put > your > energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and if you > do not believe me ask Applian Technologies. > > In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list there > was > information on how to contact the Conduit company. > > It's time you and others do some educating other software > companies on making their software accessible. Applian is a > very > small company from what I know here and they have tried their > very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting someone > at > Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies like > Applian Technologies to learn to make their software > accessible. > > > Sorry but I have an opinion here too. > > Petro > > --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Petro, > > > > You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that > > Applian uses > > third-party contractors for various components of its > software > > business and > > therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the > > performance of > > these components, which in our case is the accessibility of > > Applian > > software. In the past decade and a half, the blind > community > > and > > disability community as a whole have totally and completely > > rejected this > > buck passing. First the major software companies, including > > Microsoft, > > Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go > to > > provide full > > access to their software, regardless of how it was > developed. > > > > next, folks engaged the country's largest financial > > institutions to create > > access to banking services. The banks worked with vendors, > > contractors and > > service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind and > > accessible > > websites. These efforts led to the first legally binding > > settlement > > agreements that committed to web accessibility for people > with > > > > disabilities. > > > > > > The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell phone > > accessibility. > > the issue was that the wireless service providers passed the > > buck to the > > handset manufacturers. yet, the manufacturing companies > said > > that they > > designed phones with significant input from the providers > who > > would largely > > market and sell the phones. The arrangement was hardly that > > of an > > impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the > > marketplace, > > passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless > > providers. > > > > The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon > > Communications to > > design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone accessible > > to the blind > > with audio-enabled controls. > > > > similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility > of > > voting > > machines in the United States during the last election cycle > > during the > > 2006 elections. Software and control devices for some > > machines were > > developed or designed at some of the voting machine > companies > > by foreign > > subsidiaries or third party vendors. Local election > officials > > facilitated > > relationships with the various parties to obtain and > > significantly improve > > access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities > to > > vote > > independently for the first time. > > > > I realize that the large companies often have complex and > > many-layered > > relationships with their vendors and contractors. A vendor > > may develop or > > provide access to a product or service to prevent the > > institution from > > developing a relationship with another vendor who can > provide > > access and > > possibly a whole lot more. The large companies can leverage > > these > > relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that > > smaller companies > > can't. > > > > all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we > > seem to accept > > wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with > > their products. > > They don't explain why access issues could not have been > > written into the > > contracts or agreements they have with their vendors. It is > > not clear if > > the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner early > > on in the > > relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an > > afterthought once > > the work was completed. > > > > In various areas of technology access for more than a > decade, > > people with > > disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater > > independence in > > their lives through technology. the third-party contractor > > argument has > > not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on > > access in > > various sectors in the technology industry. In a similar > way > > it has also > > been rejected by the mainstream as well. Wednesday's Wall > > Street Journal > > ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest > > retailers and > > apparel makers in the United States are responsible for > > incredible > > pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading > > contractors to > > pollute the environment to save money. there was no > > suggestion that gap, > > Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because > they > > used a third > > party vendor. > > > > Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing > to > > a > > third-party vender isn't a constructive response to > developing > > accessible > > solutions. it is unclear why the company cannot incorporate > > accessible > > design into their relationships with these vendors or if > they > > have even > > asked about it at the start of their relationship. I don't > > believe at this > > time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at > this > > time when > > other organizations have been able to develop systems and > > approaches around > > these same issues. the end result has been access that we > all > > now use and > > enjoy. > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM > > Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar > > Scripts Wanted > > > > > > > Hi Brian & All > > > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does > record > > > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program > needs > > > scripts for the product key and some other minor issues > I've > > > already told you privately. > > > > > > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to > > have > > > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the toolbar > > > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar > called > > the > > > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure > > about > > > this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar. > > > > > > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's > an > > > Israeli company. > > > > > > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is during > > the > > > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I > > left > > > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates > checked. > > Not > > > sure as I am asking Applian. > > > > > > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and > check > > for > > > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they can > > > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that > > > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in > issue. > > The > > > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard > > from > > > them again. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > Petro > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > with unsubscribe > > > in subject > > > To contact list owner: e-mail > > blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with > > unsubscribe in subject > > To contact list owner: e-mail > blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- > To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > unsubscribe in > subject > To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -- > To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > unsubscribe in subject > To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > -- To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in subject To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx