[blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted

  • From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:15:14 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Kelly
Thank you for this information. Maybe Applian can get me a copy
to test it for them. Please send us a report on Media Catcher if
you can.

Thank you for contacting Conduit support earlier today.

Petro
  
--- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It seems usable.  However, I have not had the occasion to put
> it through
> its paces.  As there is no scheduler, the program is best for
> archived
> media that for some reason can't be captured by Replay A/v.  I
> ran into
> this situation a few times earlier this year when I wanted to
> capture some
> conference presentations.  Unfortunately, neither the URL
> finder nor the
> stream capture feature were able to catch the audio stream Now
> I have the
> firepower in reserve to apply to the problem.  However, if
> Applian ports
> over the Freecorder enhancements to Replay A/v in the future,
> it seems that
> the hand ringing over if something can be stream captured will
> be over.
> 
> In the meantime, when I have an experience with Media Catcher,
> I'll let
> everyone know.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:27 PM
> Subject: [blind] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts
> Wanted
> 
> 
> > Kelly
> > Do you use Media catcher successfully yourself? If so can
> you
> > please tell us more about it. I have not used this product
> here.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Petro
> >
> > --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Darrell,
> >>
> >> Thanks for this note of moderation.  My commentary earlier
> was
> >> on the
> >> policy issue of software components developed by third
> party
> >> vendors or
> >> contractors rather than about Applian itself.
> >>
> >> I appreciate what petro and Applian have done over the
> years.
> >> The
> >> increased accessibility led me to purchase the replay
> products
> >> last year.
> >> with the new technology introduced in Freecorder, it is now
> >> possible to
> >> record audio streams coming from the sound card without
> also
> >> recording
> >> software speech synthesis at the same time.  This is a
> >> breakthrough in
> >> online recording for blind users.  We can record anything
> >> without needing
> >> to install specialized drivers that often don't work well
> with
> >> speech
> >> synthesis and use the computer without screen access audio
> >> getting onto the
> >> recording.
> >>
> >> In the big picture, the button issue likely will be
> resolved
> >> in the
> >> upcoming months as Applian has done for other access issues
> in
> >> the past few
> >> years.  The technology will likely be incorporated into
> other
> >> programs,
> >> such as Replay A/V and Media Catcher.  these programs can
> be
> >> operated in a
> >> menu-driven approach, which is highly compatible with our
> >> needs.   When all
> >> of this becomes available in the upcoming months, we will
> have
> >> significant
> >> benefits from this technology than what we have today.
> >> technology that at
> >> the present time cannot be matched by the nearest competing
> >> product to
> >> replay:  totalRecorder.
> >>
> >> After the jeers of yesterday, three big cheers to bill and
> the
> >> Applian crew
> >> for this innovative technology.
> >>
> >> Kelly
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:09 AM
> >> Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder
> Toolbar
> >> Scripts Wanted
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello Petro,
> >> >
> >> > As a staunch accessibility advocate, I nevertheless
> continue
> >> to support
> >> > your
> >> > efforts and those of Applian to be as accessible as
> >> possible.  I do hope
> >> > Applian has brought up the access issues with Conduit in
> >> hopes of making
> >> > things better in the future.  Let's not throw the
> proverbial
> >> baby out
> >> > with
> >> > the bathwater, everyone...  :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the
> petition
> >> asking
> >> > Yahoo!
> >> > to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
> >> > Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
> >> > Information should be accessible to us without need of
> >> translation by
> >> > another person.
> >> > Blind Access Journal blog and podcast:
> >> http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
> >> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:05 AM
> >> > Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder
> Toolbar
> >> Scripts
> >> > Wanted
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi
> >> > Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what
> is
> >> going
> >> > on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys
> >> get up
> >> > and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the
> >> software to
> >> > be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to
> put
> >> your
> >> > energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and
> if
> >> you
> >> > do not believe me ask Applian Technologies.
> >> >
> >> > In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list
> there
> >> was
> >> > information on how to contact the Conduit company.
> >> >
> >> > It's time you and others do some educating other software
> >> > companies on making their software accessible. Applian is
> a
> >> very
> >> > small company from what I know here and they have tried
> >> their
> >> > very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting
> >> someone at
> >> > Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies
> like
> >> > Applian Technologies to learn to make their software
> >> accessible.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sorry but I have an opinion here too.
> >> >
> >> > Petro
> >> >
> >> > --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Petro,
> >> >>
> >> >> You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that
> >> >> Applian uses
> >> >> third-party contractors for various components of its
> >> software
> >> >> business and
> >> >> therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the
> >> >> performance of
> >> >> these components, which in our case is the accessibility
> of
> >> >> Applian
> >> >> software.  In the past decade and a half, the blind
> >> community
> >> >> and
> >> >> disability community as a whole have totally and
> completely
> >> >> rejected this
> >> >> buck passing.  First the major software companies,
> >> including
> >> >> Microsoft,
> >> >> Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get
> go
> >> to
> >> >> provide full
> >> >> access to their software, regardless of how it was
> >> developed.
> >> >>
> >> >> next, folks engaged the country's largest financial
> >> >> institutions to create
> >> >> access to banking services.  The banks worked with
> vendors,
> >> >> contractors and
> >> >> service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind
> >> and
> >> >> accessible
> >> >> websites.  These efforts led to the first legally
> binding
> >> >> settlement
> >> >> agreements that committed to web accessibility for
> people
> >> with
> >> >>
> >> >> disabilities.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell
> >> phone
> >> >> accessibility.
> >> >> the issue was that the wireless service providers passed
> >> the
> >> >> buck to the
> >> >> handset manufacturers.  yet, the manufacturing companies
> >> said
> >> >> that they
> >> >> designed phones with significant input from the
> providers
> >> who
> >> >> would largely
> >> >> market and sell the phones.  The arrangement was hardly
> >> that
> >> >> of an
> >> >> impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in
> the
> >> >> marketplace,
> >> >> passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless
> >> >> providers.
> >> >>
> >> >> The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon
> >> >> Communications to
> >> >> design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone
> >> accessible
> >> >> to the blind
> >> >> with audio-enabled controls.
> >> >>
> >> >> similarly, people with disabilities expected
> accessibility
> >> of
> >> >> voting
> >> >> machines in the United States during the last election
> >> cycle
> >> >> during the
> >> >> 2006 elections.  Software and control devices for some
> >> >> machines were
> >> >> developed or designed at some of the voting machine
> >> companies
> >> >> by foreign
> >> >> subsidiaries or third party vendors.  Local election
> >> officials
> >> >> facilitated
> >> >> relationships with the various parties to obtain and
> >> >> significantly improve
> >> >> access, allowing voters with certain kinds of
> disabilities
> >> to
> >> >> vote
> >> >> independently for the first time.
> >> >>
> >> >> I realize that the large companies often have complex
> and
> >> >> many-layered
> >> >> relationships with their vendors and contractors.  A
> vendor
> >> >> may develop or
> >> >> provide access to a product or service to prevent the
> >> >> institution from
> >> >> developing a relationship with another vendor who can
> >> provide
> >> >> access and
> >> >> possibly a whole lot more.  The large companies can
> >> leverage
> >> >> these
> >> >> relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that
> >> >> smaller companies
> >> >> can't.
> >> >>
> >> >> all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that
> we
> >> >> seem to accept
> >> >> wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues
> with
> >> >> their products.
> >> >> They don't explain why access issues could not have been
> >> >> written into the
> >> >> contracts or agreements they have with their vendors. 
> It
> >> is
> >> >> not clear if
> >> >> the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner
> >> early
> >> >> on in the
> >> >> relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an
> >> >> afterthought once
> >> >> the work was completed.
> >> >>
> >> >> In various areas of technology access for more than a
> >> decade,
> >> >> people with
> >> >> disabilities have worked with companies to achieve
> greater
> >> >> independence in
> >> >> their lives through technology.  the third-party
> contractor
> >> >> argument has
> >> >> not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked
> on
> >> >> access in
> >> >> various sectors in the technology industry.  In a
> similar
> >> way
> >> >> it has also
> >> >> been rejected by the mainstream as well.  Wednesday's
> Wall
> >> >> Street Journal
> >> >> ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest
> >> >> retailers and
> >> >> apparel makers in the United States are responsible for
> >> >> incredible
> >> >> pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices,
> leading
> >> >> contractors to
> >> >> pollute the environment to save money.  there was no
> >> >> suggestion that gap,
> >> >> Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because
> >> they
> >> >> used a third
> >> >> party vendor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger
> pointing
> >> to
> >> >> a
> >> >> third-party vender isn't a constructive response to
> >> developing
> >> >> accessible
> >> >> solutions.  it is unclear why the company cannot
> >> incorporate
> >> >> accessible
> >> >> design into their relationships with these vendors or if
> >> they
> >> >> have even
> >> >> asked about it at the start of their relationship.  I
> don't
> >> >> believe at this
> >> >> time why our expectations for access should be relaxed
> at
> >> this
> >> >> time when
> >> >> other organizations have been able to develop systems
> and
> >> >> approaches around
> >> >> these same issues.  the end result has been access that
> we
> >> all
> >> >> now use and
> >> >> enjoy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kelly
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >> <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM
> >> >> Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> >> >> Scripts Wanted
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Brian & All
> >> >> > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does
> >> record
> >> >> > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program
> >> needs
> >> >> > scripts for the product key and some other minor
> issues
> >> I've
> >> >> > already told you privately.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great
> to
> >> >> have
> >> >> > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the
> >> toolbar
> >> >> > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar
> >> called
> >> >> the
> >> >> > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make
> sure
> >> >> about
> >> >> > this new Digg It! button appearance within the
> toolbar.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian.
> It's
> >> an
> >> >> > Israeli company.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is
> >> during
> >> >> the
> >> >> > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit
> screen I
> >> >> left
> >> >> > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates
> >> checked.
> >> >> Not
> >> >> > sure as I am asking Applian.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and
> >> check
> >> >> for
> >> >> > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they
> >> can
> >> >> > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party
> that
> >> >> > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in
> >> issue.
> >> >> The
> >> >> > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never
> heard
> >> >> from
> >> >> > them again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you very much.
> >> >> > Petro
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