[blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted

  • From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:05:20 -0700 (PDT)

Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what is going
on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys get up
and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the software to
be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to put your
energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and if you
do not believe me ask Applian Technologies.

In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list there was
information on how to contact the Conduit company.  

It's time you and others do some educating other software
companies on making their software accessible. Applian is a very
small company from what I know here and they have tried their
very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting someone at
Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies like
Applian Technologies to learn to make their software accessible.

Sorry but I have an opinion here too.


--- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Petro,
> You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that
> Applian uses 
> third-party contractors for various components of its software
> business and 
> therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the
> performance of 
> these components, which in our case is the accessibility of
> Applian 
> software.  In the past decade and a half, the blind community
> and 
> disability community as a whole have totally and completely
> rejected this 
> buck passing.  First the major software companies, including
> Microsoft, 
> Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go to
> provide full 
> access to their software, regardless of how it was developed.
> next, folks engaged the country's largest financial
> institutions to create 
> access to banking services.  The banks worked with vendors,
> contractors and 
> service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind and
> accessible 
> websites.  These efforts led to the first legally binding
> settlement 
> agreements that committed to web accessibility for people with
> disabilities.
> The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell phone
> accessibility. 
> the issue was that the wireless service providers passed the
> buck to the 
> handset manufacturers.  yet, the manufacturing companies said
> that they 
> designed phones with significant input from the providers who
> would largely 
> market and sell the phones.  The arrangement was hardly that
> of an 
> impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the
> marketplace, 
> passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless
> providers.
> The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon
> Communications to 
> design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone accessible
> to the blind 
> with audio-enabled controls.
> similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility of
> voting 
> machines in the United States during the last election cycle
> during the 
> 2006 elections.  Software and control devices for some
> machines were 
> developed or designed at some of the voting machine companies
> by foreign 
> subsidiaries or third party vendors.  Local election officials
> facilitated 
> relationships with the various parties to obtain and
> significantly improve 
> access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities to
> vote 
> independently for the first time.
> I realize that the large companies often have complex and
> many-layered 
> relationships with their vendors and contractors.  A vendor
> may develop or 
> provide access to a product or service to prevent the
> institution from 
> developing a relationship with another vendor who can provide
> access and 
> possibly a whole lot more.  The large companies can leverage
> these 
> relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that
> smaller companies 
> can't.
> all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we
> seem to accept 
> wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with
> their products. 
> They don't explain why access issues could not have been
> written into the 
> contracts or agreements they have with their vendors.  It is
> not clear if 
> the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner early
> on in the 
> relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an
> afterthought once 
> the work was completed.
> In various areas of technology access for more than a decade,
> people with 
> disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater
> independence in 
> their lives through technology.  the third-party contractor
> argument has 
> not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on
> access in 
> various sectors in the technology industry.  In a similar way
> it has also 
> been rejected by the mainstream as well.  Wednesday's Wall
> Street Journal 
> ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest
> retailers and 
> apparel makers in the United States are responsible for
> incredible 
> pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading
> contractors to 
> pollute the environment to save money.  there was no
> suggestion that gap, 
> Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because they
> used a third 
> party vendor.
> Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing to
> a 
> third-party vender isn't a constructive response to developing
> accessible 
> solutions.  it is unclear why the company cannot incorporate
> accessible 
> design into their relationships with these vendors or if they
> have even 
> asked about it at the start of their relationship.  I don't
> believe at this 
> time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at this
> time when 
> other organizations have been able to develop systems and
> approaches around 
> these same issues.  the end result has been access that we all
> now use and 
> enjoy.
> Kelly
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM
> Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> Scripts Wanted
> > Hi Brian & All
> > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does record
> > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program needs
> > scripts for the product key and some other minor issues I've
> > already told you privately.
> >
> > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to
> have
> > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the toolbar
> > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar called
> the
> > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure
> about
> > this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar.
> >
> > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's an
> > Israeli company.
> >
> > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is during
> the
> > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I
> left
> > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates checked.
> Not
> > sure as I am asking Applian.
> >
> > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and check
> for
> > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they can
> > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that
> > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in issue.
> The
> > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard
> from
> > them again.
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> > Petro
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