[blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted

  • From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:27:44 -0700 (PDT)

Kelly
Do you use Media catcher successfully yourself? If so can you
please tell us more about it. I have not used this product here.

Thank you.
Petro
   
--- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Darrell,
> 
> Thanks for this note of moderation.  My commentary earlier was
> on the 
> policy issue of software components developed by third party
> vendors or 
> contractors rather than about Applian itself.
> 
> I appreciate what petro and Applian have done over the years. 
> The 
> increased accessibility led me to purchase the replay products
> last year. 
> with the new technology introduced in Freecorder, it is now
> possible to 
> record audio streams coming from the sound card without also
> recording 
> software speech synthesis at the same time.  This is a
> breakthrough in 
> online recording for blind users.  We can record anything
> without needing 
> to install specialized drivers that often don't work well with
> speech 
> synthesis and use the computer without screen access audio
> getting onto the 
> recording.
> 
> In the big picture, the button issue likely will be resolved
> in the 
> upcoming months as Applian has done for other access issues in
> the past few 
> years.  The technology will likely be incorporated into other
> programs, 
> such as Replay A/V and Media Catcher.  these programs can be
> operated in a 
> menu-driven approach, which is highly compatible with our
> needs.   When all 
> of this becomes available in the upcoming months, we will have
> significant 
> benefits from this technology than what we have today. 
> technology that at 
> the present time cannot be matched by the nearest competing
> product to 
> replay:  totalRecorder.
> 
> After the jeers of yesterday, three big cheers to bill and the
> Applian crew 
> for this innovative technology.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:09 AM
> Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> Scripts Wanted
> 
> 
> > Hello Petro,
> >
> > As a staunch accessibility advocate, I nevertheless continue
> to support 
> > your
> > efforts and those of Applian to be as accessible as
> possible.  I do hope
> > Applian has brought up the access issues with Conduit in
> hopes of making
> > things better in the future.  Let's not throw the proverbial
> baby out 
> > with
> > the bathwater, everyone...  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition
> asking 
> > Yahoo!
> > to make their CAPTCHA accessible!
> > Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist
> > Information should be accessible to us without need of
> translation by
> > another person.
> > Blind Access Journal blog and podcast:
> http://www.blindaccessjournal.com
> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:05 AM
> > Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> Scripts 
> > Wanted
> >
> >
> > Hi
> > Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what is
> going
> > on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys
> get up
> > and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the
> software to
> > be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to put
> your
> > energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and if
> you
> > do not believe me ask Applian Technologies.
> >
> > In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list there
> was
> > information on how to contact the Conduit company.
> >
> > It's time you and others do some educating other software
> > companies on making their software accessible. Applian is a
> very
> > small company from what I know here and they have tried
> their
> > very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting
> someone at
> > Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies like
> > Applian Technologies to learn to make their software
> accessible.
> >
> >
> > Sorry but I have an opinion here too.
> >
> > Petro
> >
> > --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Petro,
> >>
> >> You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that
> >> Applian uses
> >> third-party contractors for various components of its
> software
> >> business and
> >> therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the
> >> performance of
> >> these components, which in our case is the accessibility of
> >> Applian
> >> software.  In the past decade and a half, the blind
> community
> >> and
> >> disability community as a whole have totally and completely
> >> rejected this
> >> buck passing.  First the major software companies,
> including
> >> Microsoft,
> >> Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go
> to
> >> provide full
> >> access to their software, regardless of how it was
> developed.
> >>
> >> next, folks engaged the country's largest financial
> >> institutions to create
> >> access to banking services.  The banks worked with vendors,
> >> contractors and
> >> service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind
> and
> >> accessible
> >> websites.  These efforts led to the first legally binding
> >> settlement
> >> agreements that committed to web accessibility for people
> with
> >>
> >> disabilities.
> >>
> >>
> >> The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell
> phone
> >> accessibility.
> >> the issue was that the wireless service providers passed
> the
> >> buck to the
> >> handset manufacturers.  yet, the manufacturing companies
> said
> >> that they
> >> designed phones with significant input from the providers
> who
> >> would largely
> >> market and sell the phones.  The arrangement was hardly
> that
> >> of an
> >> impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the
> >> marketplace,
> >> passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless
> >> providers.
> >>
> >> The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon
> >> Communications to
> >> design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone
> accessible
> >> to the blind
> >> with audio-enabled controls.
> >>
> >> similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility
> of
> >> voting
> >> machines in the United States during the last election
> cycle
> >> during the
> >> 2006 elections.  Software and control devices for some
> >> machines were
> >> developed or designed at some of the voting machine
> companies
> >> by foreign
> >> subsidiaries or third party vendors.  Local election
> officials
> >> facilitated
> >> relationships with the various parties to obtain and
> >> significantly improve
> >> access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities
> to
> >> vote
> >> independently for the first time.
> >>
> >> I realize that the large companies often have complex and
> >> many-layered
> >> relationships with their vendors and contractors.  A vendor
> >> may develop or
> >> provide access to a product or service to prevent the
> >> institution from
> >> developing a relationship with another vendor who can
> provide
> >> access and
> >> possibly a whole lot more.  The large companies can
> leverage
> >> these
> >> relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that
> >> smaller companies
> >> can't.
> >>
> >> all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we
> >> seem to accept
> >> wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with
> >> their products.
> >> They don't explain why access issues could not have been
> >> written into the
> >> contracts or agreements they have with their vendors.  It
> is
> >> not clear if
> >> the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner
> early
> >> on in the
> >> relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an
> >> afterthought once
> >> the work was completed.
> >>
> >> In various areas of technology access for more than a
> decade,
> >> people with
> >> disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater
> >> independence in
> >> their lives through technology.  the third-party contractor
> >> argument has
> >> not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on
> >> access in
> >> various sectors in the technology industry.  In a similar
> way
> >> it has also
> >> been rejected by the mainstream as well.  Wednesday's Wall
> >> Street Journal
> >> ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest
> >> retailers and
> >> apparel makers in the United States are responsible for
> >> incredible
> >> pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading
> >> contractors to
> >> pollute the environment to save money.  there was no
> >> suggestion that gap,
> >> Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because
> they
> >> used a third
> >> party vendor.
> >>
> >> Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing
> to
> >> a
> >> third-party vender isn't a constructive response to
> developing
> >> accessible
> >> solutions.  it is unclear why the company cannot
> incorporate
> >> accessible
> >> design into their relationships with these vendors or if
> they
> >> have even
> >> asked about it at the start of their relationship.  I don't
> >> believe at this
> >> time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at
> this
> >> time when
> >> other organizations have been able to develop systems and
> >> approaches around
> >> these same issues.  the end result has been access that we
> all
> >> now use and
> >> enjoy.
> >>
> >> Kelly
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM
> >> Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> >> Scripts Wanted
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Brian & All
> >> > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does
> record
> >> > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program
> needs
> >> > scripts for the product key and some other minor issues
> I've
> >> > already told you privately.
> >> >
> >> > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to
> >> have
> >> > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the
> toolbar
> >> > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar
> called
> >> the
> >> > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure
> >> about
> >> > this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar.
> >> >
> >> > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's
> an
> >> > Israeli company.
> >> >
> >> > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is
> during
> >> the
> >> > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I
> >> left
> >> > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates
> checked.
> >> Not
> >> > sure as I am asking Applian.
> >> >
> >> > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and
> check
> >> for
> >> > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they
> can
> >> > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that
> >> > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in
> issue.
> >> The
> >> > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard
> >> from
> >> > them again.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much.
> >> > Petro
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