[blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted
- From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:28:43 -0700 (PDT)
Hi
Post the issues you have with the FCT3 on this list and CC: it
to applian tech support.
Thank you.
Petro
--- Darrell Shandrow <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Petro,
>
> As a staunch accessibility advocate, I nevertheless continue
> to support your
> efforts and those of Applian to be as accessible as possible.
> I do hope
> Applian has brought up the access issues with Conduit in hopes
> of making
> things better in the future. Let's not throw the proverbial
> baby out with
> the bathwater, everyone... :-)
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:05 AM
> Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> Scripts Wanted
>
>
> Hi
> Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what is
> going
> on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys get
> up
> and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the software
> to
> be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to put
> your
> energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and if you
> do not believe me ask Applian Technologies.
>
> In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list there
> was
> information on how to contact the Conduit company.
>
> It's time you and others do some educating other software
> companies on making their software accessible. Applian is a
> very
> small company from what I know here and they have tried their
> very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting someone
> at
> Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies like
> Applian Technologies to learn to make their software
> accessible.
>
>
> Sorry but I have an opinion here too.
>
> Petro
>
> --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Petro,
> >
> > You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that
> > Applian uses
> > third-party contractors for various components of its
> software
> > business and
> > therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the
> > performance of
> > these components, which in our case is the accessibility of
> > Applian
> > software. In the past decade and a half, the blind
> community
> > and
> > disability community as a whole have totally and completely
> > rejected this
> > buck passing. First the major software companies, including
> > Microsoft,
> > Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go
> to
> > provide full
> > access to their software, regardless of how it was
> developed.
> >
> > next, folks engaged the country's largest financial
> > institutions to create
> > access to banking services. The banks worked with vendors,
> > contractors and
> > service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind and
> > accessible
> > websites. These efforts led to the first legally binding
> > settlement
> > agreements that committed to web accessibility for people
> with
> >
> > disabilities.
> >
> >
> > The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell phone
> > accessibility.
> > the issue was that the wireless service providers passed the
> > buck to the
> > handset manufacturers. yet, the manufacturing companies
> said
> > that they
> > designed phones with significant input from the providers
> who
> > would largely
> > market and sell the phones. The arrangement was hardly that
> > of an
> > impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the
> > marketplace,
> > passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless
> > providers.
> >
> > The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon
> > Communications to
> > design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone accessible
> > to the blind
> > with audio-enabled controls.
> >
> > similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility
> of
> > voting
> > machines in the United States during the last election cycle
> > during the
> > 2006 elections. Software and control devices for some
> > machines were
> > developed or designed at some of the voting machine
> companies
> > by foreign
> > subsidiaries or third party vendors. Local election
> officials
> > facilitated
> > relationships with the various parties to obtain and
> > significantly improve
> > access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities
> to
> > vote
> > independently for the first time.
> >
> > I realize that the large companies often have complex and
> > many-layered
> > relationships with their vendors and contractors. A vendor
> > may develop or
> > provide access to a product or service to prevent the
> > institution from
> > developing a relationship with another vendor who can
> provide
> > access and
> > possibly a whole lot more. The large companies can leverage
> > these
> > relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that
> > smaller companies
> > can't.
> >
> > all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we
> > seem to accept
> > wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with
> > their products.
> > They don't explain why access issues could not have been
> > written into the
> > contracts or agreements they have with their vendors. It is
> > not clear if
> > the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner early
> > on in the
> > relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an
> > afterthought once
> > the work was completed.
> >
> > In various areas of technology access for more than a
> decade,
> > people with
> > disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater
> > independence in
> > their lives through technology. the third-party contractor
> > argument has
> > not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on
> > access in
> > various sectors in the technology industry. In a similar
> way
> > it has also
> > been rejected by the mainstream as well. Wednesday's Wall
> > Street Journal
> > ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest
> > retailers and
> > apparel makers in the United States are responsible for
> > incredible
> > pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading
> > contractors to
> > pollute the environment to save money. there was no
> > suggestion that gap,
> > Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because
> they
> > used a third
> > party vendor.
> >
> > Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing
> to
> > a
> > third-party vender isn't a constructive response to
> developing
> > accessible
> > solutions. it is unclear why the company cannot incorporate
> > accessible
> > design into their relationships with these vendors or if
> they
> > have even
> > asked about it at the start of their relationship. I don't
> > believe at this
> > time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at
> this
> > time when
> > other organizations have been able to develop systems and
> > approaches around
> > these same issues. the end result has been access that we
> all
> > now use and
> > enjoy.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM
> > Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar
> > Scripts Wanted
> >
> >
> > > Hi Brian & All
> > > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does
> record
> > > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program
> needs
> > > scripts for the product key and some other minor issues
> I've
> > > already told you privately.
> > >
> > > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to
> > have
> > > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the toolbar
> > > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar
> called
> > the
> > > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure
> > about
> > > this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar.
> > >
> > > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's
> an
> > > Israeli company.
> > >
> > > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is during
> > the
> > > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I
> > left
> > > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates
> checked.
> > Not
> > > sure as I am asking Applian.
> > >
> > > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and
> check
> > for
> > > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they can
> > > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that
> > > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in
> issue.
> > The
> > > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard
> > from
> > > them again.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> > > Petro
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