[blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted

  • From: "Rick Alfaro" <rick.alfaro@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:12:33 -0400


No offence, but I think you are a bit over the top here.  Applian is one of
the good guys.  They have gone way out of their way to make their ReplayAV
program perfectly accessible to us and are very aware of how important
accessibility is.  Cut them some slack.  Although I agree this free tool bar
is lacking in accessibility, it is useable and hopefully will get better.
Keep in mind that it is completely free and hopefully, we'll see the same
technology put to use in their already accessible ReplayAV product.  I would
love to see them add some global hotkeys to the tool bar some day, but I
don't think they deserve the harsh pounding you seem to be giving them in
your message.

--Warmest regards,
--Rick Alfaro

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Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted


You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that Applian uses 
third-party contractors for various components of its software business and 
therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the performance of 
these components, which in our case is the accessibility of Applian 
software.  In the past decade and a half, the blind community and 
disability community as a whole have totally and completely rejected this 
buck passing.  First the major software companies, including Microsoft, 
Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go to provide full 
access to their software, regardless of how it was developed.

next, folks engaged the country's largest financial institutions to create 
access to banking services.  The banks worked with vendors, contractors and 
service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind and accessible 
websites.  These efforts led to the first legally binding settlement 
agreements that committed to web accessibility for people with 

The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell phone accessibility. 
the issue was that the wireless service providers passed the buck to the 
handset manufacturers.  yet, the manufacturing companies said that they 
designed phones with significant input from the providers who would largely 
market and sell the phones.  The arrangement was hardly that of an 
impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the marketplace, 
passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless providers.

The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon Communications to 
design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone accessible to the blind 
with audio-enabled controls.

similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility of voting 
machines in the United States during the last election cycle during the 
2006 elections.  Software and control devices for some machines were 
developed or designed at some of the voting machine companies by foreign 
subsidiaries or third party vendors.  Local election officials facilitated 
relationships with the various parties to obtain and significantly improve 
access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities to vote 
independently for the first time.

I realize that the large companies often have complex and many-layered 
relationships with their vendors and contractors.  A vendor may develop or 
provide access to a product or service to prevent the institution from 
developing a relationship with another vendor who can provide access and 
possibly a whole lot more.  The large companies can leverage these 
relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that smaller companies 

all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we seem to accept 
wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with their products. 
They don't explain why access issues could not have been written into the 
contracts or agreements they have with their vendors.  It is not clear if 
the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner early on in the 
relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an afterthought once 
the work was completed.

In various areas of technology access for more than a decade, people with 
disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater independence in 
their lives through technology.  the third-party contractor argument has 
not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on access in 
various sectors in the technology industry.  In a similar way it has also 
been rejected by the mainstream as well.  Wednesday's Wall Street Journal 
ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest retailers and 
apparel makers in the United States are responsible for incredible 
pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading contractors to 
pollute the environment to save money.  there was no suggestion that gap, 
Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because they used a third 
party vendor.

Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing to a 
third-party vender isn't a constructive response to developing accessible 
solutions.  it is unclear why the company cannot incorporate accessible 
design into their relationships with these vendors or if they have even 
asked about it at the start of their relationship.  I don't believe at this 
time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at this time when 
other organizations have been able to develop systems and approaches around 
these same issues.  the end result has been access that we all now use and 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted

> Hi Brian & All
> I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does record
> Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program needs
> scripts for the product key and some other minor issues I've
> already told you privately.
> As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to have
> Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the toolbar
> buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar called the
> Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure about
> this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar.
> This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's an
> Israeli company.
> I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is during the
> Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I left
> the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates checked. Not
> sure as I am asking Applian.
> I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and check for
> accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they can
> sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that
> usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in issue. The
> developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard from
> them again.
> Thank you very much.
> Petro
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