Darrell,Thanks for this note of moderation. My commentary earlier was on the policy issue of software components developed by third party vendors or contractors rather than about Applian itself.
I appreciate what petro and Applian have done over the years. The increased accessibility led me to purchase the replay products last year. with the new technology introduced in Freecorder, it is now possible to record audio streams coming from the sound card without also recording software speech synthesis at the same time. This is a breakthrough in online recording for blind users. We can record anything without needing to install specialized drivers that often don't work well with speech synthesis and use the computer without screen access audio getting onto the recording.
In the big picture, the button issue likely will be resolved in the upcoming months as Applian has done for other access issues in the past few years. The technology will likely be incorporated into other programs, such as Replay A/V and Media Catcher. these programs can be operated in a menu-driven approach, which is highly compatible with our needs. When all of this becomes available in the upcoming months, we will have significant benefits from this technology than what we have today. technology that at the present time cannot be matched by the nearest competing product to replay: totalRecorder.
After the jeers of yesterday, three big cheers to bill and the Applian crew for this innovative technology.
Kelly----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted
Hello Petro,As a staunch accessibility advocate, I nevertheless continue to support yourefforts and those of Applian to be as accessible as possible. I do hope Applian has brought up the access issues with Conduit in hopes of makingthings better in the future. Let's not throw the proverbial baby out withthe bathwater, everyone... :-)Please visit http://BlindWebAccess.com and sign the petition asking Yahoo!to make their CAPTCHA accessible! Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by another person. Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i----- Original Message ----- From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>To: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:05 AMSubject: [blindreplay] Re: Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts WantedHi Do not give me a lecture or speech on this. I know what is going on with Blind issues and software accessibility. You guys get up and write to Conduit Corp and tell them you want the software to be more accessible for the blind. It's up to you all to put your energy into all this. I have done my part all I can and if you do not believe me ask Applian Technologies. In the press releases I sent to the blind replay list there was information on how to contact the Conduit company. It's time you and others do some educating other software companies on making their software accessible. Applian is a very small company from what I know here and they have tried their very best when it comes to accessibility. Try getting someone at Freedom Scientific and GW Micro to help small companies like Applian Technologies to learn to make their software accessible. Sorry but I have an opinion here too. Petro --- Kelly Pierce <kellytalk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Petro, You seem to be highly comfortable with the response that Applian uses third-party contractors for various components of its software business and therefore has no responsibility to its customers for the performance of these components, which in our case is the accessibility of Applian software. In the past decade and a half, the blind community and disability community as a whole have totally and completely rejected this buck passing. First the major software companies, including Microsoft, Real Networks, and Adobe have been expected from the get go to provide full access to their software, regardless of how it was developed. next, folks engaged the country's largest financial institutions to create access to banking services. The banks worked with vendors, contractors and service providers to deliver talking ATM's for the blind and accessible websites. These efforts led to the first legally binding settlement agreements that committed to web accessibility for people with disabilities. The bank projects were followed by initiatives on cell phone accessibility. the issue was that the wireless service providers passed the buck to the handset manufacturers. yet, the manufacturing companies said that they designed phones with significant input from the providers who would largely market and sell the phones. The arrangement was hardly that of an impartial, arms-length party just purchasing goods in the marketplace, passing the hot potato of access back to the wireless providers. The efforts led to a 2004 agreement by Audio and Verizon Communications to design, manufacture, market and sell a cell phone accessible to the blind with audio-enabled controls. similarly, people with disabilities expected accessibility of voting machines in the United States during the last election cycle during the 2006 elections. Software and control devices for some machines were developed or designed at some of the voting machine companies by foreign subsidiaries or third party vendors. Local election officials facilitated relationships with the various parties to obtain and significantly improve access, allowing voters with certain kinds of disabilities to vote independently for the first time. I realize that the large companies often have complex and many-layered relationships with their vendors and contractors. A vendor may develop or provide access to a product or service to prevent the institution from developing a relationship with another vendor who can provide access and possibly a whole lot more. The large companies can leverage these relationships to obtain consideration from vendors that smaller companies can't. all of this being said, it is highly disappointing that we seem to accept wholesale Applian's response regarding access issues with their products. They don't explain why access issues could not have been written into the contracts or agreements they have with their vendors. It is not clear if the company raised these issues in a meaningful manner early on in the relationship with the third party vendor or if it was an afterthought once the work was completed. In various areas of technology access for more than a decade, people with disabilities have worked with companies to achieve greater independence in their lives through technology. the third-party contractor argument has not been accepted by disability leaders who have worked on access in various sectors in the technology industry. In a similar way it has also been rejected by the mainstream as well. Wednesday's Wall Street Journal ran a lengthy page one investigation of how the largest retailers and apparel makers in the United States are responsible for incredible pollution in China for demanding ever lower prices, leading contractors to pollute the environment to save money. there was no suggestion that gap, Target, Nike, and the like had no responsibility because they used a third party vendor. Applian's shoulder shrugging and subsequent finger pointing to a third-party vender isn't a constructive response to developing accessible solutions. it is unclear why the company cannot incorporate accessible design into their relationships with these vendors or if they have even asked about it at the start of their relationship. I don't believe at this time why our expectations for access should be relaxed at this time when other organizations have been able to develop systems and approaches around these same issues. the end result has been access that we all now use and enjoy. Kelly----- Original Message ----- From: <petrakigianos-giasou@xxxxxxxxx>To: <pc-audio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <blindreplay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blind-vista@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: [blindreplay] Freecorder 2 & Freecorder Toolbar Scripts Wanted > Hi Brian & All > I want Jaws scripts for both Freecorder 2 which does record > Skype calls but as you already know Brian this program needs > scripts for the product key and some other minor issues I've > already told you privately. > > As for Freecorder Toolbar 3 program it would be great to have > Jaws scripts for this program too. Scripts for the toolbar > buttons. Today I noticed something new in my toolbar called the > Digg It! button. I have written to Applian to make sure about > this new Digg It! button appearance within the toolbar. > > This toolbar is made by Conduit and not by Applian. It's an > Israeli company. > > I think the reason I am seeing this new Digg It! is during the > Freecorder Toolbar 3 installation on the Conduit screen I left > the checkbox enabled to allow for automatic updates checked. Not > sure as I am asking Applian. > > I am just a user of Applian Technologies products and check for > accessibility. If the software is made by Applian they can > sometimes fix the issue but if it's from a 3rd party that > usually is difficult. Remember the YouSendIt plug in issue. The > developers from YSI wrote to me 2 times and I never heard from > them again. > > Thank you very much. > Petro > -- > To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe > in subject > To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in subject To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx--To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe insubject To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --To unsubscribe: e-mail blindreplay-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in subject To contact list owner: e-mail blindreplay-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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