[bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)

Somehow, my comment has been much misunderstood.  I think the work you did
was great, and I am indeed a pleasure reader, honest.  But the fact that
taped books have weaknesses doesn't mean we should idolize those weaknesses.
My comments were intended only to seek information for those who need it.  I
don't want to radically change what is available for others, truly I don't.
I certainly never expected my comment to lead to any revalidations--I was
only raising an issue that to me was important.  Computer technology can
help everyone, and I was only exploring whether there might be some way to
satisfy everyone.  By the way, I was using the BRF copy of the book, and I
found no page numbers, despite some contradictory comments.  ----- Original
Message ----- 
From: "Peter Scialli" <Peter.s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)


> I feel compelled to point out that in two to three years, when this book
> comes out on cassette tape from NLS, it will also not have page numbers.
>
>
> ________________________
> Peter M. Scialli, Ph.D.
> Associate, Technical Projects, Bookshare.org
> www.bookshare.org
>
> A Project of The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity
> peter @benetech.org
> www.benetech.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
>
>
> >
> > Hi Rui,
> >
> > As far as "The Broker" goes, I am being truthful when I say that page
> > breaks
> > and page numbers are there in my brf copy.  So I can't imagine why they
> > would not be there in the Daisy format.  True, the validator did a rush
> > job
> > but there was a reason for it--to get the book up there for those of us
> > who
> > read books of that type for pleasure only.
> >
> > I have seen some very excellent books on the bookshare site during the
> > short
> > time I have been a member:  i.e., with formatting, page breaks, chapter
> > headings, etc..  I feel confident that when The Brokers is resubmitted
by
> > Pratik it will be in apple pie shape because he has the equipmennt and
> > knows
> > the rules.
> >
> > Incidentally, I would include indices as well if there are any, but I
have
> > never seen a John Grisham book with indices, only acknowledgments.....
> >
> > Sue S.
> > No hate mail please.  (smile)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rui" <rui@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon my fellow booksharians:
> >
> > We have now solved the problem for this one book, it took about a dozen
> > messages, not to mention the book is being re-edited a second time
instead
> > of correcting the original problem.
> > If you think there is a backlog now, if every book when through 2 edits
> > instead of getting it right the first time, you would have a 1500 book
> > step
> > 1 page.
> >
> >
> > For the few times I do read a book as i am currently doing with a
> > validation, (good book brian) i continuously read and the page info does
> > not
> > bother me at all, in fact it is useful.  i know that i am on page 134 of
> > the
> > book, not maybe around page 134, but actually on page 134 of the
original
> > text, (because the page # from the book is present)
> >
> > Once the autmated tool hacks at the book, then you have a different
story.
> > no heading, no page #s, no chapter headings, etc.
> >
> > I know that bookshare is fully aware of this and I hope this will come
up
> > at
> > a subsequent meeting with their engineers.
> >
> > You see, like I said in my bio, i'm not much of a reader so consequently
I
> > do not have a bookshare membership. All i do is validate.
> > But it is very disconcerting that books i submit come out in worse shape
> > after i hit the submit button then what my edited copy is here at home.
> >
> > In my opinion, that material should remain in the book.
> > For those of us who don't want it in the book, then the individual user
> > can
> > strip out the headers if they so choose.
> > But for those of us who want the complete text, we can't put the
> > headers/pagebreaks back in once they're gone, we have no recourse.
> > You can take material out of a book, but once it is gone you can't
> > manufacture it and put it back in short of having the print copy.  And
at
> > that point, it would be faster to just rescan it yourself.
> >
> >
> > In closing, when Pratik uploads the book again, what's to stop the same
> > thing from happening again?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:54 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Broker--strengths and weaknesses
> >
> >
> >> Guido
> >>
> >> I think we here have as much a philosophical question as a technical
one.
> >> As no matter what system is implemented or put in place, both on
> >> BookShare
> >> and within our ocr software, someone will find it not to their liking.
> >> On the one hand, having page numbers, sections, chapters, etc kept in
the
> >> text is invaluable.
> >> But then when too much of that info is announced, others object.
> >> My personal preference is to have more rather than less kept; and
hence,
> >> a
> >> lenient stripper;
> >> but I alredy understand the objections especially among those who do
> >> automated continuous reading, convert to mp3 and all the rest.
> >>
> >> "The Broker" should be a case study in showing just how difficult all
> >> this
> >> can be especially when dealing with automated tools and rush scanning
> >> without hand validating.
> >> Unintentionally, and this could in no way have been prevented other
than
> >> through painstaking effort which would have delayed availability of the
> >> book, valuable info was lost.
> >> In the short-run, having the book immediately available is more
important
> >> than having technical glitches dealt with.
> >> Perhaps the best solution, in a case such as this, is to have the book
> >> immediately made available with the originally scanned copy placed on
the
> >> step 1 validation page for someone, if they chose, to do the manual
> >> finetuning.
> >> Then, once validated, the improved copy would replace the original one.
> >> That would be the best of both worlds -- quick access but also
addressing
> >> the real concerns expressed by Ken that the book isn''t optimally
labeled
> >> internally.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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