[bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)

If page numbers were housed within an xml tag of some sort,  they could 
then be displayed or hidden at will by the Daisy reader.  I would likely 
hide them most of the time,  but the research-oriented reader could 
display them and have them read at will.  Kurzweil 1000 already does 
something similar in KES format.  Without any need of stripping page 
numbers,  these can be shown or hidden dynamically.


Guido


Guido Dante Corona
IBM Accessibility Center,  Austin Tx.
Research Division,
Phone:  512. 838. 9735.
Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Web:  http://www.ibm.com/able




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I prefer books not to have the print page numbers.  that's just me, 
though.
If someone needs page numbers for a report, well ... there are readers who
can look up that sort of thing.  That's what I had to do.  I told him
aproximately where the passage was and he was ble to find it and give me 
the
page number.  Time-consuming/  sure, but it can be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Scialli" <Peter.s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)


> I feel compelled to point out that in two to three years, when this book
> comes out on cassette tape from NLS, it will also not have page numbers.
>
>
> ________________________
> Peter M. Scialli, Ph.D.
> Associate, Technical Projects, Bookshare.org
> www.bookshare.org
>
> A Project of The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity
> peter @benetech.org
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
>
>
> >
> > Hi Rui,
> >
> > As far as "The Broker" goes, I am being truthful when I say that page
> > breaks
> > and page numbers are there in my brf copy.  So I can't imagine why 
they
> > would not be there in the Daisy format.  True, the validator did a 
rush
> > job
> > but there was a reason for it--to get the book up there for those of 
us
> > who
> > read books of that type for pleasure only.
> >
> > I have seen some very excellent books on the bookshare site during the
> > short
> > time I have been a member:  i.e., with formatting, page breaks, 
chapter
> > headings, etc..  I feel confident that when The Brokers is resubmitted
by
> > Pratik it will be in apple pie shape because he has the equipmennt and
> > knows
> > the rules.
> >
> > Incidentally, I would include indices as well if there are any, but I
have
> > never seen a John Grisham book with indices, only acknowledgments.....
> >
> > Sue S.
> > No hate mail please.  (smile)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rui" <rui@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon my fellow booksharians:
> >
> > We have now solved the problem for this one book, it took about a 
dozen
> > messages, not to mention the book is being re-edited a second time
instead
> > of correcting the original problem.
> > If you think there is a backlog now, if every book when through 2 
edits
> > instead of getting it right the first time, you would have a 1500 book
> > step
> > 1 page.
> >
> >
> > For the few times I do read a book as i am currently doing with a
> > validation, (good book brian) i continuously read and the page info 
does
> > not
> > bother me at all, in fact it is useful.  i know that i am on page 134 
of
> > the
> > book, not maybe around page 134, but actually on page 134 of the
original
> > text, (because the page # from the book is present)
> >
> > Once the autmated tool hacks at the book, then you have a different
story.
> > no heading, no page #s, no chapter headings, etc.
> >
> > I know that bookshare is fully aware of this and I hope this will come
up
> > at
> > a subsequent meeting with their engineers.
> >
> > You see, like I said in my bio, i'm not much of a reader so 
consequently
I
> > do not have a bookshare membership. All i do is validate.
> > But it is very disconcerting that books i submit come out in worse 
shape
> > after i hit the submit button then what my edited copy is here at 
home.
> >
> > In my opinion, that material should remain in the book.
> > For those of us who don't want it in the book, then the individual 
user
> > can
> > strip out the headers if they so choose.
> > But for those of us who want the complete text, we can't put the
> > headers/pagebreaks back in once they're gone, we have no recourse.
> > You can take material out of a book, but once it is gone you can't
> > manufacture it and put it back in short of having the print copy.  And
at
> > that point, it would be faster to just rescan it yourself.
> >
> >
> > In closing, when Pratik uploads the book again, what's to stop the 
same
> > thing from happening again?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:54 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Broker--strengths and weaknesses
> >
> >
> >> Guido
> >>
> >> I think we here have as much a philosophical question as a technical
one.
> >> As no matter what system is implemented or put in place, both on
> >> BookShare
> >> and within our ocr software, someone will find it not to their 
liking.
> >> On the one hand, having page numbers, sections, chapters, etc kept in
the
> >> text is invaluable.
> >> But then when too much of that info is announced, others object.
> >> My personal preference is to have more rather than less kept; and
hence,
> >> a
> >> lenient stripper;
> >> but I alredy understand the objections especially among those who do
> >> automated continuous reading, convert to mp3 and all the rest.
> >>
> >> "The Broker" should be a case study in showing just how difficult all
> >> this
> >> can be especially when dealing with automated tools and rush scanning
> >> without hand validating.
> >> Unintentionally, and this could in no way have been prevented other
than
> >> through painstaking effort which would have delayed availability of 
the
> >> book, valuable info was lost.
> >> In the short-run, having the book immediately available is more
important
> >> than having technical glitches dealt with.
> >> Perhaps the best solution, in a case such as this, is to have the 
book
> >> immediately made available with the originally scanned copy placed on
the
> >> step 1 validation page for someone, if they chose, to do the manual
> >> finetuning.
> >> Then, once validated, the improved copy would replace the original 
one.
> >> That would be the best of both worlds -- quick access but also
addressing
> >> the real concerns expressed by Ken that the book isn''t optimally
labeled
> >> internally.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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