[bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to validating fair quality submissions

  • From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:37:27 -0500

Not names, but horrible margins which clipped every line which came close to the inner margin of the page. I typed it in where it needed, but, as I say, would not have done it for the whole book. It was a ya book, so not much was going on on any particular page. The book is almost read through, so it will be submitted very soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>

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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to validating fair quality submissions


Gary,

Were there a lot of proper names in the book that
might have thrown off the ranking? 99.1 seems pretty
high to me, so I don't see why you think that would
have to be rejected?

I do read the books I validate, (except for two in the
past) line for line, word for word, which is how I
find missing words in sentences and scanning errors
that are proper words but not proper in that
particular context. This is to be expected by a
validator, because scanning machines are not perfect.
They are thrown off, I think, by the size of the type
on the page, how close together the words are on the
page, and the quality of the page's paper.

As I said, I don't understand why you think the book
with 99.1 ranking would have had to be rejected.

G.Cindy



--- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've just had one enlightening experience with a
book I've already done.  I
found a page missing and rerequested this book on
library loan.  When I got
it I did the missing page.  I couldn't get it above
99.1 no matter what I
did.  This must have been a different copy because
if the whole book had
been like this, I'd have had to read the whole book,
line, by line, retyping
as I went.  There's no other way to fix this kind of
problem and if we
encounter a book like this where the whole book is
envolved, that book will
have to be left behind.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to
validating fair quality
submissions


> No validator would object to validating a book
like
> that, Gary. We expect to do some work, and feel
guilty
> if there's nothing to do but enjoy the read,
> especially now that there's equal pay.
>
> I read what I validate, and can tell you that even
> with 99.4 accuracy but will be something for me to
do,
> because even the K1000 ranked spelling won't catch
> homonyms or the number 1 for the capital I or some
> other things I can't think of at the moment. smile
>
> G.Cindy
>
> --- Gary Petraccaro <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I've tried it both ways and emotionally prefer a
>> clean scan, but i must say
>> that there were times when I carried it too far.
If
>> I can get pages to
>> about 99.4 accuracy, there's a good chance that I
>> will have pages which can
>> be cleaned up with not too much work--certainly
no
>> more work than the time
>> it would take to optimize a book and probably
>> somewhat less.  I did one
>> book, optimizing all the way, and it was not an
>> experience I'd willing
>> repeat.  Btw, I will submit this book as soon as
I
>> can read through and,
>> since it has a few graphs, I will ask someone
>> sighted to take a look at a
>> print copy and help out.  Not at all a long book,
>> 250 pages, but a few
>> graphs.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:39 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: An alternative to
>> validating fair quality
>> submissions
>>
>>
>> > Hi Donna,
>> >
>> > I personally, think it is a great idea.  I have
>> been disheartened lately
>> > at the number of fair and good submissions on
the
>> step 1 page awaiting
>> > validation.  Chances are that a rescan of a
book
>> raited fair would take
>> > less time than actually fixing a scan of less
than
>> excellent quality.
>> >
>> > Peace,
>> > Mayrie
>> >
>> > At 07:22 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote:
>> >>Hi all.
>> >>
>> >>I apologize in advance if this suggestion
ruffles
>> feathers, but it is made
>> >>in the spirit of getting excellent quality
books
>> into the collection.
>> >>
>> >>I am one of the volunteers who believes that
>> "validating" a book shouldn't
>> >>involve rewriting it because the scan is poor.
>> There are some books which
>> >>have strange formatting or difficult tables and
>> charts or other things
>> >>that typically don't scan well and the only way
to
>> get such books into the
>> >>collection is in fact for a very patient
validator
>> to go through the whole
>> >>book and fix problematic errors that a rescan
>> won't fix.
>> >>
>> >>However, there are a lot of books on the step
one
>> download page that are
>> >>just straightforward text, fiction or
nonfiction,
>> that should scan with no
>> >>problems, but are rated as fair.  In my
opinion,
>> it is a waste of
>> >>volunteer time and effort to have a validator
make
>> these scans passable.
>> >>
>> >>So here's my alternative.  If I, or any other
>> scanner, obtains a copy of a
>> >>book that is currently awaiting validation and
>> rated fair, would it be
>> >>appropriate for us to download the fair copy,
>> reject it, and then upload a
>> >>better scan of the same book?
>> >>
>> >>Thoughts?  Ideas?  No rotten tomatoes please!
>> >>
>> >>Donna
>> >
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