atw: Re: OT: Grumbling About Elections...
- From: "Christine Kent" <cmkentau@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:18:03 +1000
Why are you telling me to obey a system that you are not, yourself, embedded
within? You could be joining with me to ask how we can better operate
outside it.
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Dowling
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012 8:15 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: OT: Grumbling About Elections...
Aah, you know me so well.
Not.
How am I embedded in a party system?
Fatally flawed? What has died? Democracy? Kindness? Compassion? Where would
you rather live? Which countries have better systems? Enlighten us. I'd be
partial to the Scandinavian ethos, but not their weather.
Which master and what rules do I/we obey that you don't?
All the best in your soul-searching.
Cheers,
Terry
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012 5:59 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: OT: Grumbling About Elections...
Oh, but I didn't call anyone names. I leave the name calling to greater
minds than mine. "imbecillic and corrupt sell-out" and "you can never, by
definition, comprehend"
But you see, you actually DIDN'T understand. You are so far embedded in the
party system that you cannot perceive the possibility that the very system
is fatally flawed. You are within the paradigm, as I predicted that a
number of you would be (note that I did not identify anyone personally as my
mind is not great enough to call individuals names).
Curiously you can see that the press, a cornerstone of the Westminster
system, is fatally flawed, but cannot see that the press and Westminster
political structures are two inextricably intertwined parts of the same
fatally flawed system.
I am outside the paradigm. To me it is all so fatally flawed that nothing
can be achieved within in.
It is actually a very strange place to be once you have "fallen" out of the
system. You can look back in and start to really comprehend what
Shakespeare meant by all that "world is but a stage" stuff. You watch
people dancing to the piper's tune with bemusement, incomprehension and
sometimes shock. You realise that, just as you cannot understand why they
are playing this game, they equally cannot understand why you cannot play
it any more. I was not abusing anyone, I was bemoaning my own alienation
from the game you are all so comfortably playing, and bemoaning the
increasing unlikelihood of ever again seeing my own reflection in the mirror
of another human soul. You share a common culture, a common perception of
good and bad, an agreement to obey the rules imposed upon you by your chosen
master. I don't.
Now go ahead and ridicule me for being not only emotionally honest but
psychologically and spiritually honest too. Go on, I am sure you can find
some more juicy names to call me.
Christine
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Terry Dowling
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012 7:11 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: OT: Grumbling About Elections...
Ahh Christine, condescension is always good.
You don't agree with me, therefore - by definition - you have an inability
to comprehend.
Christine, I truly admire your skills and even most of your morals and
politics. I even enjoy your cook/food books. But almost every time someone
disagrees with you, out comes not just the bitterness, but the
condescension.
Your point is taken. I appreciate your efforts and can see your
frustrations. Got to admit, I'm not sure if you're talking about the
mistreatment of refugees or if 'torturing children' is just a metaphor. Put
it down my inability to comprehend.
I'd say that, in such circumstances as you describe, there must almost
certainly be a third party or an independent against torturing children - or
you're living in a country with 'Democratic' in its name. If there isn't
such a party, maybe you need to think about starting one or running for the
seat yourself.
The thing is that by voting, you might not get exactly what you want
straight away, but you can usually try to help make it better than it
currently is. [And then you get outvoted. Unfortunately, that's democracy.]
To me, doing nothing is equally amoral to voting for bad choices.
If you find you're not being heard, you could try that tried and trusted
avenue of buying a newspaper or TV station and trampling editorial
independence.
Cheers,
Terry
From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christine Kent
Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012 3:28 PM
To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: atw: Re: OT: Grumbling About Elections...
. you cannot see how utterly corrupt it is.
To vote for any of the current parties is like being offered the vote
between torturing children in public and torturing children in private.
Please vote for your preferred option. But please sir, I don't want to
torture children at all. Bloody well vote for one of the other or stop
whinging. NO SIR, I will not vote for torturing children any which way. I
will speak against you, I will decry you, I will do anything in my power to
stop you, but I will NEVER vote for torturing children.
This might seem an extreme example and I already know that some of you
cannot think conceptually enough to work out the analogy, but it is valid.
This is what you are telling me I must do when you tell me I must vote for
one imbecillic and corrupt sell-out or another.
.so I know some of you can never, by definition, comprehend the words I say,
even though they are such ordinary words.
Christine
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