[AR] Re: AMOS-6 RUD

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 00:12:04 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Henry Vanderbilt wrote:

...The majority of the fuel and LOX seemed to go up in a mere deflagration, however. Only an "explosion" in Hollywood.

Or in real life. :-) Boom plus blast wave plus flying debris is an explosion, however caused. "Explosion" is a much more generic term than "detonation" -- it covers deflagrations, detonations, and things which are neither (like transformer explosions and BLEVEs). And this is good -- we need a generic term -- and it should stay that way.

I find it more interesting that Musk said the Crew Dragon escape would have had time to work. This may imply that the apparent several seconds of noisy lead-in to the visible initial explosion actually does represent things going visibly wrong in the telemetry.

Assuming that he really does mean "with realistic actuation based on the telemetry values we plan to monitor", and not "with magical actuation just as things started to go wrong in hindsight" -- with SpaceX one has to attend to exact wording -- then yes, it pretty much has to mean that there was some fairly convincing advance notice somewhere.

Even fully automatic abort actuation is likely to need a second or two to get things going. And I don't know if NASA would consider fully automatic abort acceptable for crew flights -- they've traditionally had a low opinion of it, after having a lot of grief with development and debugging of the Mercury abort system. Gemini aborts were all manual, Apollo reluctantly accepted automatic aborts for two or three cases (*not* including on-pad malfunctions) but kept the rest manual, and of course the shuttle's limited abort options were all-manual. Maybe memories have faded enough for them to be more accepting, but this is exactly the sort of thing that gets hardened into "best practices" dogma.

(Which is not to say that I disagree with them on this. Aviation long ago decided that leaving the choice to the crew was preferable, to reduce problems with false alarms, even if it did occasionally mean inadequately rapid response. "If the fire light comes on, and the aircraft has not already exploded, eject immediately.")

Henry

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