The more I look at this, the more there's a need for international money transfer. I guess PayPal cover most of this, though not seen it used here yet. That might be a step forward. I don't suppose those without cards can get PayPal either of course. PP remains one way of getting funds moved, though getting to use it after that, clearence and all that, remains a moot point I think. Those paig debit cards aimed at the kid/offspring market are no real answer, they charge a fortune to use it, for anything and everything; and all at a price. e.g: charge a $ every time you buy something, no matter what or how much. Some charge by the month for having it, some charge something for adding funds, and so on. Like PayPal I suppose, real service provision has to be paid for, it is a business after all. They just know how to best milk the most vulnerable sectors of the market. R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxx> To: <accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Apple is forcing us to have money Hey how does this work? I live in the Uk but do have a close friend who is checking out and working in Western Australia. So how could I send her a gift? Just curious and may not look into this. Cheers! E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopherh40@xxxxxxxxx On 12/11/2013 00:51, Drew Hunthausen wrote: > Jessica, > I did not know this and I agree that it makes no sense at all. The one > thing > I can suggest if you want to send someone a gift in another country is to > purchase a Visa or another credit card company gift card if your out at a > mall or somewhere that cells them. This way you could use the gift card > just > like a credit card to send or buy a gift for someone in another country. > Kind of a hastle but a work around anyway. > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessible-ios-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:accessible-ios-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jessica brown > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:11 PM > To: accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Apple is forcing us to have money > > Maybe I would, but I can't because 2 of apple's other policies are in the > way. One, you can not send gifts to someone unless you are in the same > country as the person you want to send the gift to and 2, you can't buy > gifts with iTunes cards. You can buy stuff for your own devices with > iTunes > cards, but if you want to gift someone money or buy them and send them an > app, you have to have a credit card. I do not have a credit card because I > am only > 18 years old and I am sure I am sure I am not the only one without a > credit > card. I wish apple would let us send gifts between countries and I wish > you > could buy gifts with iTunes cards. I mean, what if you are too young to > have > a credit card and you have family or friends in another country you want > to > gift an app or song to or send them some money for use in the iTunes store > or something? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jewel <herekittykat2@xxxxxxxxx > To: "accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date > sent: > Sat, 9 Nov 2013 21:44:15 -0500 > Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Apple is forcing us to have money > > I am on that ******fixed income for other disabilities as well. I have > fibromyalgia and degenerative muscle weakness. By the time I finish > college, > I may not be able to work anyway. But if ten dollars is not that much, you > are welcome to send it to me as a gift. I had to get my medicine over > having > money in the account for stupid policies like this. > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Donna Goodin <doniadonna@xxxxxx> > wrote: > > Folks, I hate to say this, but what Apple's doing is just not that > unreasonable. As many have pointed out, if you don't have a credit or > debit > card, buy a gift card and set up your account. > You can get a gift card for $10, that's just not that much money. > Once you've done that, you can do whatever upgrading and purchasing of > free > apps you need to do. I'm sorry, but I'm blind and I've worked my whole > ****** life. Right now I'm working a job that I hate, but at least it's a > job. If you're on a fixed income, maybe start thinking about how to > change > that. > > Sorry if this is bitchy, but I see no reason *at *all why someone who is > blind has to be on a fixed income. > Donna > On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Jewel <herekittykat2@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > The problem is that many disabled people are on fixed incomes. > For example, I run out of money long before the month is through. > I should still be able to get free apps, download apps I already purchased > but are not currently on my device, and schedule genius bar appointments. > Without money, I have no access to even change the password on the lock > screen because the Apple password is essentially broken until their or is > money available. Buying a gift card to leave money on is essentially the > same as requiring a deposit, a bad move on Apple's part imo. > And please don't lecture me on budgeting. I get $700 each month and > somehow > don't qualify for food stamps. > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 9, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm totally confused. How would Apple Know if you have money in your > bank > account or not? > > Ricardo Walker > ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Twitter:@apple2thecore > www.appletothecore.info > > On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Jewel <herekittykat2@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Even if you are setting up a genius bar appointment, getting a free app, > or > updating those you already have, it won't work if you don't have a valid > card. This means if you use a debit card, if you run out of money, you > cannot do anything requiring an Apple password. I I am going to complain > to > Apple about this and I hope many will join me in this. Not everyone has a > credit card and not everyone has available funds all the time. > Jewel > > > reply://herekittykat2@xxxxxxxxx > > > Sent from my iPhoneWith questions, concerns or issues not related to the > topics discussed on list please email the list admin to > alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at betoa221, or on > twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject > line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed > on > list please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype > at > betoa221, or on > twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject > line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > PS > they know because your card gets cut off if there is no money With > questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed on list > please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at > betoa221, or on > twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject > line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed > on > list please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype > at > betoa221, or on > twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject > line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed on > list please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at > betoa221, or on > twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed on > list please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at > betoa221, or on twitter: betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed on > list please email the list > admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at betoa221, or on twitter: > betoa221 > > To subscribe to the list send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the > subject line. > > To unsubscribe from the list please send message to > accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > To adjust your membership options please visit: > //www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios > With questions, concerns or issues not related to the topics discussed on list please email the list admin to alberto.a775@xxxxxxxxx, or on skype at betoa221, or on twitter: betoa221 To subscribe to the list send message to accessible-ios-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with subscribe on the subject line. 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