Don't know if I'm missing something in this conversation but what's wrong with defining your own lap top layout? Could hardly be easier with Window-Eyes which has probably always been the easiest of the screen readers to alter keyboard assignments hotkeys. From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: 18 January 2007 8:09PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Windows Media Center JAWS or WindoEyes Hi, I agree about laptop layout. GW need to introduce a layout like the Jaws laptop one. Actually, Jaws standard works fine with Media Centre, so therefore I presume with XP Pro, but only for 40 minutes at a time, so even more frustrating! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Windows Media Center JAWS or WindoEyes > Andy. > > I've not seen it but I'm guessing that out of the box Media Centre is the > same as XP Home and Pro in it's basic functionality. It has alot more > support for media use, just like XP Pro has more security features and > things like disk space quoataing. > > The latter so you can dictate how much space a user on the system can > use.. > > The reason for needing Jaws Pro is because they have to take the same > steps > to get Jaws to hook into the system as they do with XP Pro. > > Completely ridiculous. > > Your case is a classic one that I'm sure Freedom just shrug and say ah > well > too. > > That's a great idea about having both machines running and that way you > can > avoid the frustrations that drive you to the point of wanting to toss the > thing out the window by walking away and back to your older one. > > I still use Jaws on my laptop because I find Window Eye's laptop layout > support very very cumbersome. > > You can get an external keyboard but that negates portibility IMHO. > Ôà > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 3:10 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Windows Media Center JAWS or WindoEyes > > > Hi Dave. > > Already got my WE Tutorials out, for a second time. Perhaps I should be a > bit more patient and do a little each evening. You said that everything > was > working fine on your new computer. Is it an XP Home or Media Center > Dave.. > I ask because it looks like I'll be moving onto Media Center with my new > computer. Learning Media Center alongside WindowEyes is a bit frightening > though. > > By the way, you wouldn't have the subscription details for the WindowEyes > List? > > Best wishes. > Andy > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:47 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Windows Media Center JAWS or WindoEyes > > >> Hi, >> >> Well, as I said, I've gone over, well, am in the process of, to window >> eyes. >> My impressions are that everything just seems to work with this new >> computer >> without much less effort than on other machines. I tried it with Jaws and >> got the old issue of the ctrl key locking on and nothing I could do about >> it, which I have been nagging Sight and Sound and FS about for over a >> year. >> There is a Jaws keyboard layout if you really want it, but I would learn >> the >> new keystrokes and change the ones you don't like. I think the speech is >> sometimes slightly weird having been used to Jaws but it never seems to >> crash and it is definitely quicker than Jaws. It'll probably even speed >> your >> existing machine up. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andy Logue" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:16 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Windows Media Center JAWS or WindoEyes >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> Looks like my new computer will be a Windows Media Center. I'll have to >>> upgrade to JAWS 8 Professional or WindowEyes 6, in order to access it.. >>> >>> What do people think? Should I stick with JAWS or move to WindowEyes? >>> >>> I'd love to hear from Media Center users as there has been very little >>> mail >>> recently discussing this OS, which is surprising as XP Home appears to >>> be >>> on >>> the way out, and most of the new computers that I have seen on sites >>> over >>> the last week have been Window Media Center machines. >>> >>> Best wishes. >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been verified as Virus free >>> Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > __________ NOD32 1988 (20070118) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > -e > =========================================================== > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protetion and more available at http://www.plus.net > =========================================================== ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq __________ NOD32 1988 (20070118) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq