[access-uk] Re: Website preferences
- From: "Egan, Bim" <Bim.Egan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:37:29 -0000
Hi Barbara,
I'll be one to object. It's hardly fair to call people lazy if they
have difficulty in learning or dealing with sophisticated software.
Blind people don't all have identical learning abilities. It can also
be more difficult to learn new techniques when you're 70 than when
you're 17.
Cheers,
Bim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barbara Wilson
Sent: 09 March 2011 10:20
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
Thank you. I was waiting for someone to object and no doubt someone
will.
Kind Regards
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Clasper" <terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
> Hi Barbara.
> You speak total and complete sense in my humble view!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of
> Barbara Wilson
> Sent: 09 March 2011 10:10
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>
> Agree with every word of this. Anything other than option C only
caters to
> lazy blind people who want special treatment. The RNIB should not
pander
> to
> such nonsense.
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:29 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On one hand cheers for asking the question, but... Like Ian I'm
>> mystified
>
>> as to why our so called "Flag Ship" charity isn't just pushing for C.
>> The
>
>> sinic in me suggests it's an attempt to look busy by asking a 10 year
>> old,
>
>> (at least), question. Not to mention after the fact of broken
>> accessibility and poor design on sites that the RNIB has consulted on
and
>> earned a silly amount of money in doing so. Perhaps resources could
be
>> better spent on getting the RNIB into a position were they can
enforce
>> accessibility and not just suggest it at a high mark-up in
consultents
>> fees.
>>
>> I make no apologies for this email being hard-line or sinical. This
>> stuff
>
>> comes up over and over and over again. It's old and pisses me and no
>> doubt plenty of other VI folks off.
>>
>> Barry
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Iain Lackie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
>>>
>>> surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be inclusive and I
>>> think we
>>> have seen too many examples of "special" sites not having all the
>>> facilities
>>> of the main site or not being properly maintained. I can't even see
why
>>> the
>>> question is being asked.
>>>
>>> Iain
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Egan, Bim
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Apologies if you see this on other lists ...
>>>
>>> My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access
team.
>>> Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what sight-
>>> impaired
>>> people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to
>>> insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what we
say
>>> is right for you and others .
>>>
>>> Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three
>>> options
>>> (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs?
>>>
>>> A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features;
or
>>>
>>> B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired
people,
>>> but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main
>>> site; or
>>>
>>> Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for
>>> everyone,
>>> sighted and unsighted.
>>>
>>> Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not
>>> like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from
>>> the
>>> keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key
strokes
>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage
>>> designers of the more popular or important sites for independent
>>> living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B version?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Bim
>>>
>>>
>>>
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