No Ian,
The suggestion is that some screen reading interfaces can't cope with a
lot of choices, and perhaps the users of this type of software would
also find too many choices challenging. Everyone wants inclusion in
the overall objective, say shopping online, but some people are finding
the amount of additional information that comes from main sites, i.e.
offers, missed offers, new offers, distracting and something of an
information overload. They would sooner look for offers in a simple
shopping page than have all offers made obvious. This is of course,
just an example. :)
Thanks,
Bim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 09 March 2011 09:36
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
Are you seriously suggesting that visually impaired people actually want
to
be excluded?
Iain
-----Original Message-----
From: Egan, Bim
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:24 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
Hi Ian and Colin,
We have always held the view that inclusion is what blind and partially
sighted people want, but this has been challenged recently. Someone
asked the not unreasonable question, "How do you know, have you asked?"
The honest answer to that was that we hadn't. We've held the view on
the basis of general moves in accessibility, views of VI people we know
as well as our personal views. The question now is to see whether we
were right or wrong.
I'll fill in a bit more background here. There are screen reading
systems that can't cope with modern web site techniques, and people,
often those who are new to blindness and new to computers, who find the
volumes of information difficult to deal with. What's the answer for
these people?
Thanks,
Bim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Colin Fowler
Sent: 09 March 2011 09:16
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
No, it is very disappointing that the technical lead for the RNIB's web
accessibility team is allowing doubt about web accessibility to
influence
and ask such questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be inclusive and I
think
we have seen too many examples of "special" sites not having all the
facilities of the main site or not being properly maintained. I can't
even
see why the question is being asked.
Iain
-----Original Message-----
From: Egan, Bim
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences
Hi,
Apologies if you see this on other lists ...
My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access team.
Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what
sight-impaired
people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to
insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what we
say
is right for you and others .
Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three
options
(A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs?
A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features;
or
B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired people,
but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main
site; or
Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for
everyone,
sighted and unsighted.
Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not
like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from
the
keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key
strokes
for them.
Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage
designers of the more popular or important sites for independent
living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B version?
Thank you.
Bim
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