[access-uk] Re: Website preferences

Bim,

Add to this the fact that many Further Education colleges
that used to provide free courses to newly visually impaired
people (especially the older generation) have all but
stopped this provision.

If you drop that one in David Cameron's lap he will just say
that colleges must give priority to younger pele.

Why can't the RNIB get more funding from the Big Lottery
Fund for this type of training.

Jim Williams

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Egan, Bim
Sent: 09 March 2011 10:13
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

That's a very good point, and I'll certainly put the
suggestion in front
of someone who could do something with it.  In fact, the
same person who
inspired this poll is also frustrated by the lack of
training provision.
In a recent government push to get more older people to use
computers,
she was doubly frustrated to learn that the training
available couldn't
cope with any AT needs.

Thanks,

Bim


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barry Hill
Sent: 09 March 2011 10:06
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

I would argue that the answer to the problem you posed is
assessment,
training and support at an early stage.  I believe that a
computer,
scanner
and relevant software is an essential piece of kit for vip.
Consideration
for this equipment should be in Social Service assessments
of needs and
the
training to use it to be given alongside independent living
skills.

Perhaps the RNIB could put this suggestion to local
authorities.

Cheers

Barry

 

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Of
Egan, Bim
Sent: 09 March 2011 9:25 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

Hi Ian and Colin,

We have always held the view that inclusion is what blind
and partially
sighted people want, but this has been challenged recently.
Someone
asked
the not unreasonable question, "How do you know, have you
asked?"
The honest answer to that was that we hadn't.  We've held
the view on
the
basis of general moves in accessibility, views of VI people
we know as
well
as our personal views.  The question now is to see whether
we were right
or
wrong.

I'll fill in a bit more background here.  There are screen
reading
systems
that can't cope with modern web site techniques, and people,
often those
who
are new to blindness and new to computers, who find the
volumes of information difficult to deal with.   What's the
answer for
these people?   

Thanks,

Bim

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
Colin Fowler
Sent: 09 March 2011 09:16
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences

No, it is very disappointing that the technical lead for the
RNIB's web
accessibility team is allowing doubt about web accessibility
to
influence
and ask such questions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences


> surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be
inclusive and I
think 
> we have seen too many examples of "special" sites not
having all the 
> facilities of the main site or not being properly
maintained. I can't
even 
> see why the question is being asked.
>
> Iain
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Egan, Bim
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Apologies if you see this on other lists ...
>
> My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web
access team.
> Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what
sight-impaired
> people need to make a site accessible.  Though we have no
power to
> insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure
that what we
say
> is right for  you and others .
>
> Could you help us please, by saying which of the following
three
options
> (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs?
>
> A.  a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its
features;
or
>
> B.  A separate, simplified site made easier for
sight-impaired people,
> but with the risk of missing out on some of the features
on the main
> site; or
>
> Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible
for
everyone,
> sighted and unsighted.
>
> Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which
they may not
> like to incur.  On the other hand some people who work
entirely from
the
> keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too
many key
strokes
> for them.
>
> Question:  Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to
encourage
> designers of the more popular or important sites  for
independent
> living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B
version?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bim
>
>
>
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