Hi Barbara. You speak total and complete sense in my humble view! -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara Wilson Sent: 09 March 2011 10:10 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences Agree with every word of this. Anything other than option C only caters to lazy blind people who want special treatment. The RNIB should not pander to such nonsense. Kind Regards Find me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/barkingbabs Barbara Wilson M: 07917710779 T: 02887784046 E: barkingbabs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx IM: creativeeyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Skype: creativeeyes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:29 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences > Hi, > > On one hand cheers for asking the question, but... Like Ian I'm mystified > as to why our so called "Flag Ship" charity isn't just pushing for C. The > sinic in me suggests it's an attempt to look busy by asking a 10 year old, > (at least), question. Not to mention after the fact of broken > accessibility and poor design on sites that the RNIB has consulted on and > earned a silly amount of money in doing so. Perhaps resources could be > better spent on getting the RNIB into a position were they can enforce > accessibility and not just suggest it at a high mark-up in consultents > fees. > > I make no apologies for this email being hard-line or sinical. This stuff > comes up over and over and over again. It's old and pisses me and no > doubt plenty of other VI folks off. > > Barry >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Iain Lackie >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences >> >> surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be inclusive and I >> think we >> have seen too many examples of "special" sites not having all the >> facilities >> of the main site or not being properly maintained. I can't even see why >> the >> question is being asked. >> >> Iain >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Egan, Bim >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Apologies if you see this on other lists ... >> >> My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access team. >> Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what sight- >> impaired >> people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to >> insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what we say >> is right for you and others . >> >> Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three >> options >> (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs? >> >> A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features; or >> >> B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired people, >> but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main >> site; or >> >> Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for >> everyone, >> sighted and unsighted. >> >> Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not >> like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from >> the >> keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key strokes >> for them. >> >> Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage >> designers of the more popular or important sites for independent >> living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B version? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Bim >> >> >> >> -- >> DISCLAIMER: >> >> NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is >> confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended >> recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the >> content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the >> sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it >> and any attachments from your system. >> >> RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by >> its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. 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