[access-uk] Re: Website preferences
- From: "Egan, Bim" <Bim.Egan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:13:19 -0000
That's a very good point, and I'll certainly put the suggestion in front
of someone who could do something with it. In fact, the same person who
inspired this poll is also frustrated by the lack of training provision.
In a recent government push to get more older people to use computers,
she was doubly frustrated to learn that the training available couldn't
cope with any AT needs.
Thanks,
Bim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barry Hill
Sent: 09 March 2011 10:06
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
I would argue that the answer to the problem you posed is assessment,
training and support at an early stage. I believe that a computer,
scanner
and relevant software is an essential piece of kit for vip.
Consideration
for this equipment should be in Social Service assessments of needs and
the
training to use it to be given alongside independent living skills.
Perhaps the RNIB could put this suggestion to local authorities.
Cheers
Barry
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
Egan, Bim
Sent: 09 March 2011 9:25 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
Hi Ian and Colin,
We have always held the view that inclusion is what blind and partially
sighted people want, but this has been challenged recently. Someone
asked
the not unreasonable question, "How do you know, have you asked?"
The honest answer to that was that we hadn't. We've held the view on
the
basis of general moves in accessibility, views of VI people we know as
well
as our personal views. The question now is to see whether we were right
or
wrong.
I'll fill in a bit more background here. There are screen reading
systems
that can't cope with modern web site techniques, and people, often those
who
are new to blindness and new to computers, who find the
volumes of information difficult to deal with. What's the answer for
these people?
Thanks,
Bim
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
Colin Fowler
Sent: 09 March 2011 09:16
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
No, it is very disappointing that the technical lead for the RNIB's web
accessibility team is allowing doubt about web accessibility to
influence
and ask such questions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Website preferences
> surely the answer is obviously C. Design should be inclusive and I
think
> we have seen too many examples of "special" sites not having all the
> facilities of the main site or not being properly maintained. I can't
even
> see why the question is being asked.
>
> Iain
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Egan, Bim
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:29 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Website preferences
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Apologies if you see this on other lists ...
>
> My name's Bim Egan, I'm the technical lead for RNIB's web access team.
> Web designers sometimes look to RNIB for guidance on what
sight-impaired
> people need to make a site accessible. Though we have no power to
> insist that they take our advice, we want to make sure that what we
say
> is right for you and others .
>
> Could you help us please, by saying which of the following three
options
> (A, B or C) would be more likely to suit your needs?
>
> A. a text-only site, mirroring the main site with all its features;
or
>
> B. A separate, simplified site made easier for sight-impaired people,
> but with the risk of missing out on some of the features on the main
> site; or
>
> Option C: If it's possible, one website that is accessible for
everyone,
> sighted and unsighted.
>
> Option B could mean extra cost for web designers, which they may not
> like to incur. On the other hand some people who work entirely from
the
> keyboard tell us that Options A and C can mean far too many key
strokes
> for them.
>
> Question: Would it be a good idea for RNIB, as policy, to encourage
> designers of the more popular or important sites for independent
> living, (grocery sites for example) to produce an option B version?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Bim
>
>
>
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