[access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones?

        I am really looking forward to version 4 of the iPhone OS.  I hear that 
the iPad, Apple's latest device, that Voice Over is slightly improved and there 
is a new typing mode I would like to try out.  The iPad is based on the iPhone 
OS so hopefully these features will be included.


On 4 Apr 2010, at 11:15, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi Hussein
> 
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2010, at 17:01, Hussein Patwa wrote:
>> 
>>> what do you think of the move now by developers to not go through
>>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control
>>> measures?  I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are basically
>>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store.  Obviously
>>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on
>>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app certification
>>> (loosely speaking).
> 
> I think that the developers are doing what they think is right. I am not sure 
> that it will have a detrimental impact on accessibility though, as the great 
> majority of developers - at least in my experience, are very receptive to 
> requests for accessibility. I think though that it may hurt Apple themselves, 
> although their desire for consistency  and exactness is commendable, they may 
> have shot themselves in the foot by trying to exercise such tight controls 
> over their developers.
> 
>>> 2.  Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD
>>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June.  Also, firmware
>>> updates for the current iPhone series.  Personally I hope it's sooner rather
>>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been
>>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released.
> 
> I am awaiting with interest Apple's 4.0 release. As i said, I do not have an 
> IPhone yet, and I'm not sure that I will, although the prospect of in-built 
> accessibility is appealing. Also, as a long-time Mac user, i already have 
> some experience with Apple's approach and so am not in the same position that 
> many other Blind users who are full-time Windows users may be. The continued 
> misrepresentation of Apple's approach by many key  Blindness organizations is 
> concerning, as there is a genuine apprehension - even dislike and distrust of 
>  Apple's products - in fact, anything that does not carry the  Windows and 
> Windows Access solutions stamp of approval. Voice Over is not perfect, but 
> the IPhone has opened up the possibility for many Blind users who would 
> otherwise not have looked twice at Apple to explore  the accessibility that 
> they have introduced.
> 
>>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring
>>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices?
> 
> I am not sure about this, because as others have said, for good or bad, Apple 
> are very secretive about their innovations. I will continue to look and 
> report back to the list. But I would not be surprised if it was coming.
> 
> TC
> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A couple of points I wanted to query:
>>> 
>>> 1.  You mention Apple apps and some third party apps are accessible with
>>> voiceover.  Now if we assume Apple would want the vast majority, if not all
>>> apps to be accessible if only so people will use them and continue to buy
>>> from them, what do you think of the move now by developers to not go through
>>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control
>>> measures?  I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are basically
>>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store.  Obviously
>>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on
>>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app certification
>>> (loosely speaking).
>>> 
>>> 2.  Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD
>>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June.  Also, firmware
>>> updates for the current iPhone series.  Personally I hope it's sooner rather
>>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been
>>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released.
>>> 
>>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring
>>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________
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>>> 
>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Hussein.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> James & Nash
>>> Sent: 02 April 2010 12:44
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones?
>>> 
>>> Hi Audrey,
>>> 
>>> The Iphone 3GS series now come with Voice Over, which gives complete access
>>> to all of the applications on the phone. From what I have heard, there are
>>> many other third party applications which also work with Voice Over.
>>> 
>>> As you are probably aware, the IPhone is a touch screen device, but from my
>>> initial exploration, it seems very intuitive once you get the hang of it.
>>> Niether of us have one yet, but we're looking into the possibility for the
>>> future. 
>>> 
>>> Many blind people have switched to the IPhone and are very happy with it by
>>> all accounts. The only warning I would give is that like all Apple products,
>>> the IPhone is considerably more expensive than your standard cell phone. But
>>> the initial cost is nothing compared to the gains that you will be getting
>>> from an in-built Screen Reader. If I were you though I would wait for a few
>>> more months though as Apple are slated to release IPhone 4.0 in June. I do
>>> not know if this is purely a software upgrade or a brand new cell phone. If
>>> it is the latter, then the older models may come down in price. 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps 
>>> 
>>> TC
>>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
>>> On 1 Apr 2010, at 11:39, Audrey Tonge wrote:
>>> 
>>>> HI all.
>>>> 
>>>> I am probably way behind here, but wanted to know how accessible I-phones 
>>>> are these days for totally blind users?  I can now get web access and am 
>>>> often better off using a mobile in various situations in my life.  Just 
>>>> wondered if they are worth going for?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Audrey 
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