I am really looking forward to version 4 of the iPhone OS. I hear that the iPad, Apple's latest device, that Voice Over is slightly improved and there is a new typing mode I would like to try out. The iPad is based on the iPhone OS so hopefully these features will be included. On 4 Apr 2010, at 11:15, James & Nash wrote: > Hi Hussein > > >> On 3 Apr 2010, at 17:01, Hussein Patwa wrote: >> >>> what do you think of the move now by developers to not go through >>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control >>> measures? I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are basically >>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store. Obviously >>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on >>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app certification >>> (loosely speaking). > > I think that the developers are doing what they think is right. I am not sure > that it will have a detrimental impact on accessibility though, as the great > majority of developers - at least in my experience, are very receptive to > requests for accessibility. I think though that it may hurt Apple themselves, > although their desire for consistency and exactness is commendable, they may > have shot themselves in the foot by trying to exercise such tight controls > over their developers. > >>> 2. Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD >>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June. Also, firmware >>> updates for the current iPhone series. Personally I hope it's sooner rather >>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been >>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released. > > I am awaiting with interest Apple's 4.0 release. As i said, I do not have an > IPhone yet, and I'm not sure that I will, although the prospect of in-built > accessibility is appealing. Also, as a long-time Mac user, i already have > some experience with Apple's approach and so am not in the same position that > many other Blind users who are full-time Windows users may be. The continued > misrepresentation of Apple's approach by many key Blindness organizations is > concerning, as there is a genuine apprehension - even dislike and distrust of > Apple's products - in fact, anything that does not carry the Windows and > Windows Access solutions stamp of approval. Voice Over is not perfect, but > the IPhone has opened up the possibility for many Blind users who would > otherwise not have looked twice at Apple to explore the accessibility that > they have introduced. > >>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring >>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices? > > I am not sure about this, because as others have said, for good or bad, Apple > are very secretive about their innovations. I will continue to look and > report back to the list. But I would not be surprised if it was coming. > > TC > James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny >>> Hi, >>> >>> A couple of points I wanted to query: >>> >>> 1. You mention Apple apps and some third party apps are accessible with >>> voiceover. Now if we assume Apple would want the vast majority, if not all >>> apps to be accessible if only so people will use them and continue to buy >>> from them, what do you think of the move now by developers to not go through >>> the Apple Store for ap marketing due to their tightened quality control >>> measures? I've heard from quite a few dev's who've said they are basically >>> going to go open market with their apps and damn the Apple store. Obviously >>> whereas this is good for consumer choice, it'll have a definite impact on >>> accessibility as it is no longer a mandatory criteria for app certification >>> (loosely speaking). >>> >>> 2. Regarding the iPhone 4.0, you might want to look into the iPhone HD >>> which Apple are rumoured to be bringing out in May/June. Also, firmware >>> updates for the current iPhone series. Personally I hope it's sooner rather >>> than later so we can at least get the Jailbreak fix the mods have been >>> sitting on since 3.13 firmware was released. >>> >>> 3. Is there any substance to the rumour that v4 firmware will bring >>> multi-tasking to the whole range of compatible devices? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Have a pleasant day, >>> >>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes, >>> >>> Hussein. >>> >>> Hussein Patwa >>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) >>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) >>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa >>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2 >>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter >>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk >>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com >>> >>> Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> James & Nash >>> Sent: 02 April 2010 12:44 >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: How accessible ar I phones? >>> >>> Hi Audrey, >>> >>> The Iphone 3GS series now come with Voice Over, which gives complete access >>> to all of the applications on the phone. From what I have heard, there are >>> many other third party applications which also work with Voice Over. >>> >>> As you are probably aware, the IPhone is a touch screen device, but from my >>> initial exploration, it seems very intuitive once you get the hang of it. >>> Niether of us have one yet, but we're looking into the possibility for the >>> future. >>> >>> Many blind people have switched to the IPhone and are very happy with it by >>> all accounts. The only warning I would give is that like all Apple products, >>> the IPhone is considerably more expensive than your standard cell phone. But >>> the initial cost is nothing compared to the gains that you will be getting >>> from an in-built Screen Reader. If I were you though I would wait for a few >>> more months though as Apple are slated to release IPhone 4.0 in June. I do >>> not know if this is purely a software upgrade or a brand new cell phone. If >>> it is the latter, then the older models may come down in price. >>> >>> Hope this helps >>> >>> TC >>> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny >>> On 1 Apr 2010, at 11:39, Audrey Tonge wrote: >>> >>>> HI all. >>>> >>>> I am probably way behind here, but wanted to know how accessible I-phones >>>> are these days for totally blind users? I can now get web access and am >>>> often better off using a mobile in various situations in my life. Just >>>> wondered if they are worth going for? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Audrey >>>> >>>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> ** and in the Subject line type >>>> ** unsubscribe >>>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>>> ** immediately-following link:- >>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>>> ** or send a message, to >>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 4994 (20100402) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 4997 (20100403) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 4997 (20100403) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq