--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > Cars do exist in the physical world as the aggregate of all the individual cars Aggregates, are abstractions, and don't exist in the physical world. Actually "cars" don't exist in the physical world. Only molecules or perhaps even smaller, more obscure entities. But certain organization of molecules (human beings we call them) have evolved whose molecules interact with these other molecules and, as a consequence, conceive of certain collection of molecules as a Volvo. The trick is to interact with another collection of molecules (called an independent mechanic who loves Volvos and the people who buy them) and hence keeps them going for thousands of miles at low cost. Notice I can't tell you how to purchase and keep a Volvo running well at a reasonable price at the molecular level. I know that is no surprise to you. But what you do not see (yet?) is that when I switch to the human level, I abandon the notion of cause for he notion of intent and purpose. If I try to say that my brain molecules caused me to search and find an honest Volvo dealer/mechanic, I feel I've stopped making sense. The next paragraph I'll leave for latter. For some reason, I can't seem to get my point across. > Now we are not. It is quite clear to me that brains cause minds in the sense Searle uses the term "cause". The other alternatives are to suppose minds just happen to co-exist with brains in some fashion or other or, as you tend to do, to assert that the language breaks down and we cannot speak of minds in this way. I disagree most vehemently with that position! It is perfectly intelligible to speak of what brains do as producing minds (everything we mean by having a mental life). bruce ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/