Tom Schultz's question reminded me of an elderly couple I once met when birding in Arizona. This couple, when they traveled to a state, would visit whatever zoos were available much as field birders would visit sewage treatment plants in various states. They would then keep note of all the bird species held captive there. In this way they had some of the largest state lists of anyone in many states. They explained that this was valid as they had truly seen each of these birds within the borders of each of those states. This is one of the more extreme cases I have witnessed. I would say, for Wisconsin totals, that they should meet the criterion that the ABA sets. By these rules, Whooping Cranes at this time would not be countable. Also exotic released birds should not be counted. Thus one would not count a European Goldfinch at their feeder [though it would be appreciated if they are reported to the WSO as they are now likely reproducing and we would like to keep track of what is happening with them]. Subspecies should not be included [though I would keep track of what subspecies one has seen as these might later become species and thus become countable]. Also keep track of ABA's lumping and dividing -and set your totals by what the ABA has decided in these cases. Hybrids should not be included. As for rare bird finds that have been rejected by the WSO, I would leave that up to the individual and how strongly they feel they wrote a poor documentation. The ABA is the American Birding Association. -- Bob Domagalski, St. Nazianz #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn