Wow.. That sounds kinda low to me.. How does the cost of living compare to WNY?? Network/System/Exchange type guys make that much around here (at a large company, anyway)... I've been on two interviews in the past few months, and they were both paying into the low 60's for Exchange admins... I'm sure the dept manager has to be well into the 80's.. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:26 PM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive sender for this address) In southeast lower Michigan (which usually, but not always pays better than upper Michigan), I would guess about 60 to 75K per year US dollars. That is more than I make for that job, but I started with 5 weeks vacation in my first year. Hope this helps Jeff Jesus Loves You -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mauricio Fernandez Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:14 PM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive sender for this address) I am not offended, because most of you are right!!! Let me explain a bit more. Jobs here are paid according knowledge. A new IT manager earn between 100k and 130k a year in local money (the purchasing power of 1 Bs is the same that half dollar). But there is no high value for this range, because this kind of job is very new in this poor country. Good IT managers in very similar jobs earn very different salaries. Here down, mostly of us works for USA's corporations or USA Government's organizations that helps our country, so, if you can tell me the medium range for this salary in USA, then I can calculate which range should be ours. More info:. Health insurance here is mandatory and very cheap, everybody has one. Employed here collect once a month from January to November and two salaries on December. Vacation depends on antiquity, 2 weeks the first 2 years, 3 weeks from year 3 to year 5 and 4 weeks for 6 year or more. We work 46 hours a week (6 hours on Saturday) Mauricio Fernández S. IT Manager FDTA - Valles Tel. 591 4 4525160 Fax. 591 4 4115056 mfernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.fdta-valles.org -----Original Message----- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of windows2000.freelists.store@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:42 PM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive sender for this address) I have been mortally offended by this bickering! Joshua Owen - joshua.owen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > No worries, water off a ducks back! I wasn't insinuating that you were obligated to do that (especially the part about becoming a linguist and global monetary mastermind!), I was simply stating that if you were curious that it would be the easiest way to establish a location! I suppose my original email was based on sarcasm, so fair do's! Fight fire with fire and all that! I didn't intend to offend you in first instance, however if I did I apologise too. > > Cheers > Josh > > >>>>jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/11/04 2:19:02 pm >>> > > You are correct. I could follow the link to his web site, learn Spanish. Figure out the city, collect local salary expectations. Find a kid at my sons school who has done a book report on the local economic conditions. Print up a 50 page bio on all of the local job openings. Open Excel and put together a little variable calculator with numeric equivalencies for differing variables such as vacation time and benefits. Then I could factor in how valuable each of these are to differing persons dependant on their marital status and number of children. Publish the results of all factors and give him a quick answer. > What was I thinking? > My point was "you did not even give us the basis to begin to answer the question". > Sorry for the sarcasm. This was typed with a whimsical expression in the spirit of fun. If this offends anyone, I am sorry and I apologize. > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joshua Owen > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:04 AM > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary > > You could always check out the website on his signature if you're after some geographical clarification! ;-) > > Bolivia I think! > > I don't know a right lot about their economics/pay structures mind! > > >>>>jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/11/04 1:41:28 pm >>> > > That number is entirely dependant on other factors, that have nothing to do with the job description. What I make in Michigan, would be fantastic money in Tennessee. I would not be able to live on it in California. I could live extremely comfortable on it in Mexico. > > Other factors include benefits. Does the person have to cover some of the costs of health insurance? Is there a retirement plan? How much paid vacation time do they have? > > An IT Manager in the right part of California, who has all of their health insurance paid, a retirement plan that the company pays for and 5 weeks of vacation, would still be making more than an IT Manager in Mexico with no benefits and 2 weeks vacation. > > I know that this is not much of an answer, but you did not give enough information for a complete answer. It might help to give us at least the name of your country. > > Jeff > > Jesus Loves You > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mauricio Fernandez > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:39 AM > To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [windows2000] Salary > > > > Every single IT person on my country asks me the same question: > > > > How much money should earn an IT manager? > > > > Can you give me some ideas? > > > > Mauricio Fernández S. > > IT Manager > > FDTA - Valles > > Tel. 591 4 4525160 > > Fax. 591 4 4115056 > > mfernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > www.fdta-valles.org > > > > > > > ******************************************************** > This Weeks Sponsor StressedPuppy.com Games > Feeling stressed out? 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