[windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive sender for this address)
- From: Jeff Malczewski <jmalczewski@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:36:09 -0500
Well, it's the law of supply and demand. Perhaps there is a glut IT
Managers right now, but very few programmers, so they are a more valuable
commodity..
Difficult to say without knowing more of the specifics of the local economy
and the demographic that makes up that area.
But, if you have enough to send both of your children to private school, go
out twice a week, pay alimony, help out your mother, own a house, and have a
BBQ once a month, then I'd say you are doing well.
It's not about what "they" say you should make, it's all about what you feel
you are worth. If you feel you are worth more, then ask for it. The worst
that can happen is they'll say no. But don't be overly pushy about it
unless you have something else lined up already.
As for the programmers from the USA, I'll tell you this:
There is NO way you'd get me to move to some lesser-developed country on the
other side of the world for $20k, no matter HOW well I could live on it
locally. There are simply too many other hardships (culture shock, loss of
friends and family, etc, etc). You would have to pay me at LEAST what I
make in the US, and maybe then some, to get me to even consider something
like that. And even then, it would only be temporary, until I save up a ton
of cash and move back to the US with it.
Now, on the other hand, if these two programmers are still living in the
states, and working remotely for you, then I'd say that $50k is about market
rate, depending upon their experience, and especially if they are contract
workers and not FTE (meaning they would have to pay their own taxes). If
they are contract, then they will actually only SEE between 50-60% of that
money, and that, also, must be taken into account. If, on the other hand,
you contracted them through a placement firm, then they may only see as
little as 30-40% of that money, as the placement company will take the rest
for their profit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mauricio Fernandez [mailto:mfernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 2:56 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive
sender for this address)
Thanks... Thank you very much to all of yours.
When I started this chain, I wanted to know how much money should I ask for
my job, thinking that I was underpaid. Now I know I don't.
How I told yours, I earn almost 18k us dollars a year (140000Bs), This money
is enough to live very well, go out with my girlfriend twice a week to the
best place we can found on this town, pay taxes, private school for my two
kids, money for my former wife and something for my mother.
Actually, this side of the world is very cheap. I invite all my friends once
a month to a bear-barbecue party, and I just need 50us dollars to do it.
BUT!!! The company I work for hires two programmers from USA last year, one
from California and one from Texas. We spend about 100k us dollar a year on
each one.... so, we are being ripped off? Programmers earn more money than
IT managers? They are developing some very simple software that I don't have
enough time to do.
Mauricio Fernández S.
IT Manager
FDTA - Valles
Tel. 591 4 4525160
Fax. 591 4 4115056
mfernandez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.fdta-valles.org
-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Len Milligan
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:48 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive
sender for this address)
I make an Ok ish £24500 a year - no benefits (no car/health/life insurance
etc) but am not too bothered.
I'm also not an IT manager on paper but deal with ALL I.T and make the
decisions(a nice way to pay me less)
But the jobs great, people are a good laugh and I wouldn't trade for double
my money. I'm left to get on with it with not too much stress and not
expected to stay all night/weekend when things go wrong!
-----Original Message-----
From: Leitman, Ken [mailto:ken.leitman@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: 11 November 2004 15:51
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive
sender for this address)
I make more than anyone has so far put forth on this list. But in the NYC,
USA area, a cheap starter house and hour commute away is about $350,000USD !
I don't know how to take a job to be happy when I need to make a lot just to
pay the mortgage, kl
-----Original Message-----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:34 AM
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [windows2000] Re: Salary (windows2000: addressed to exclusive
sender for this address)
Well, really it all boils down to are you happy? I mean we'd all 'like'
to make more money but there's a tradeoff with flex hours, perks, benefits.
If you know you can make more elsewhere but are happier staying where you
are then that's what counts.
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