I have an old citrix server which has a couple of gbs of RAM but only a few p3 1.8's in. I was thinking of using that, would that do? When talking software which is the best I know MS do virtual server and then there's VMWARE. Any recommendations? ________________________________ From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald Sent: 22 August 2006 12:31 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization If you can rake together the hardware (it doesn't have to be high spec for testing but lots of memory is a good idea) it's worth doing, especially now that decent virtualisation software is available for free. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Ensor [mailto:densor@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 22 August 2006 12:11 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization The way I see it is that it's kind of going back to how it was when hardware was really expensive, so you had to have one server running multiple apps/roles. Then when hardware got cheaper, esp discs and memory, all the roles were split up to single machines, at least in my experience. I guess I still have a slight fear about running a lot on one machine, (I know the machines are hardly comparable with then and have redundant discs/power/nics etc), but I really could do with getting one running as I said for a lab machine with a citrix box and a few other bits and bobs like WSUS etc. Thanks for the info. ________________________________ From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald Sent: 22 August 2006 11:58 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization We run a couple of low-use Citrix servers (<5 users but a very fussy app), a PDC and BDC for a legacy NT4 domain, pairs of servers (on different physical hosts) supporting various in-house developed systems and a variety of similar machines. I would be happy to run mission-critical servers on VMWare now that I have more experience and confidence in it but all of our critcal systems are heavy-use. On the desktop I use VirtualPC to run all sorts of legacy machines for software testing and development. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Ensor [mailto:densor@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 22 August 2006 11:39 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization So you're running non mission critical servers, I like the idea of virtual servers but most of ours have mission critical apps on. I like the idea for lab machines though! Cool. ________________________________ From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald Sent: 22 August 2006 11:30 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization The physical servers have lots of built-in redundancy and I wouldn't class any of thevirtual servers as enterprise-critical. In the event of a physical failure I can copy the important ones back from tape (each server is only a handful of files) to another server (I have a lower-spec server for development) and bring them back within a few minutes. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Ensor [mailto:densor@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 21 August 2006 15:00 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization What happens though if a server fails? Haven't you put all your eggs in a few baskets? ________________________________ From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald Sent: 21 August 2006 12:42 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT - Virtualization I've got a couple of beefy Quad-Xeon, 12GB RAM machines running about 30 servers in total. The main benefits are I can provision low-use servers without wasting hardware and I can provision them quickly, typically less than 10 minutes from deciding it's needed to having it available on the domain for use. They are also easy to backup and move to another host in the event of a hardware failure, although I've yet to have one. Running VMWare GSX 3. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Leach [mailto:rleach@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 18 August 2006 21:27 To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] OT - Virtualization Just curious... How many of you are now using either server virtualization or storage virtualization (or both)? If you are using it, what benefits have you seen? If not, do you plan to use it anytime soon? Again, just curious. 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