[windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions

  • From: Moby <moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:24:55 -0500

Sorin Srbu wrote:

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[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Daryl Ehrenheim
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:21 PM
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions



I don't think that linux and samba will solve your problem either. If


they


have Read-Only access to the file, they should still be able to save


it or


copy the file to a new location. I use a Linux server with Samba here


and I


can control who has access to the folders and files, but I can't stop


them


from copying the data to another location. Go to the Samba website and
browse through the documentation, that might give you some answers.



Gotcha'. Thx for the hint.




Daryl S. Ehrenheim
Bargreen Ellingson - IT Support



-----Original Message-----
From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin.srbu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:13 AM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions


----Original Message---- From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tim Mangan Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:03 PM To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions



The only thing I know of that works at the NTFS level would be


encryption


options. But if they can authenticate to the computer then


they have
access


- which is probably not what you want.

Maybe when WinFS happens...


Yeah, "maybe" is the key word here. 8-)



Microsoft is doing work with the office suite that allows the


document


publisher (word, excel, ppt, publisher, etc) to encode permissions


that


can prevent either printing or saving - however that does not


prevent file


access copying (and is specific to their apps). I seem to remember


that


Adobe is like that too.


Would anybody know if linux can do this somehow?

I'm thinking maybe setting up a linux server and using samba
to allow the win-clients access to it, may do the trick.
According to preliminary data (read as a short talk with the
linux-admin over here while getting coffee [it's amazing how
many interesting things and breakthroughs happen while
getting coffee and/or happen around the coffee machine...]
8-) samba may offer this service.





Regards,

tim

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From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:11 AM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions

----Original Message----
From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Robert K


Coffman


Jr - Info From Data Corporation
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:49 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: NTFS-permissions



Any other way to do this then?


Of course this can be done. Depends on how much effort you are


willing


to make to do this!

2 ways come to mind.

1. Put hardcopies in a secured room under guard.
2. Create a secure, non-shared place to put these.


Publish WordView
(with


"open for editing" disabled") in such a manner that it opens the


document


directly (ie. No browsing.) Only allow access from Thin Client


terminals


with no printer access (to avoid use of copy/paste). Oh, and put a


guard


there too because people have digital cameras these days...

You get the idea. This isn't really a technical problem, it's a


trust


issue...


I do. What if the files are not word-docs? I'm looking for a more
generalised way to do this, file format-independent if you like. And


1)


isn't practical.

I'm just speculating now and checking the options.

And I'm still grateful for all pointers and hints you guys care to


toss


me.




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You want them to be able to read but not save the files? Really, I would think that is almost impossible. Ability to read woud mean they can somehow make out the words, at the most basic level, they can then memorize and recreate the documents. That is an exaggerated example, but no matter what you do, as long as they can pull the document up on their screens, I do not see how you can control it from there on. Screen capture software, digital camera photos + ocr, etc come to mind even if you could somehow disable the ability to save and/or print.

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