Well I did conduct a blind test between Sonar and Samplitude and I could
correctly identify Samplitude.
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[mailto:vipaudioaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: 09 February 2017 17:12
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Hsc sets with sonar
yes, rounding errors can pile up. Yes, some of us
can hear things more than others. Heck, old CRT
displays used to be physically painful to me when
I was younger. Now, the same sound is still audible, but not annoyingly so.
We can go back and forth on this forever, as long
as we are just saying "I think it sounds better
than this other thing." See my other post on ABX
testing if you want to have some fun actually
seeing if any of us can in fact hear a difference.
At 11:11 AM 2/9/2017, you wrote:
I get your point Michael, but that analogy waswhich.
to point out that some coders will have written
code differently, even though they ended up with the same outcome.
Now your maths analogy is probably better. Yes
2+2 = 4, but what if someone wrote 2+3-1 =
4? Its still the same, but done differently.
Imagine that on an incredibly complex scale and
Im sure youll agree there will be some
mistakes/bugs. Its that that has an impact on the end result.
Maybe all of us may not be able to hear the
difference, but that doesnt mean some
will. The same way we cant hear ultra high
frequencies...just because we cant doesnt mean
they are not there. Its a fact that
children/young adults can hear frequencies that
an adult cant. It begins to disappear around
the age of 19/20 or something like that. So, I
do believe there are differences. Steve.
From: <mailto:AI5HF@xxxxxxxxxxx>Michael Taboada
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:44 AM
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Hsc sets with sonar
Hi Steve,
I see your point, though I see only one thing
wrong with it: With digital audio, there's one
way to get there. Period. You can code your
engine more efficiently, for sure, but there's
still only one way to get there. The algorithm
is clear, and if you don't follow it, I'm sorry,
but your software is broken. Just my $0.02.
-Michael.
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Michael, on the surface of it that seems to be
the case, but if you think about it, all these
different audio engines are coded by different
people. So, even though they are all ending up
at the same destination...its all about how they get there.
If you got a cab to go on a 1 mile journey, that
cab driver could probably cover anything from 1
mile to whatever, depending on which direction
they go. Now if you got in that cab and they
drove off in a totally crazy direction...and you
end up covering 3 miles, then Im guessing you
wouldnt be happy, as you would be paying for 3
miles instead of 1. Its the same with audio engines (excuse the pun
Smile
), some are more efficient and accurate and this
has an affect on the result. Steve.
From: <mailto:AI5HF@xxxxxxxxxxx>Michael Taboada
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 11:03 AM
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Hsc sets with sonar
I can see many people seem to think this, but
the way I see it, a DAW is essentially a really
fancy calculator. If you put in 4+4 into your
calculator, and I put in 4+4 to mine, they
should both come out to 8, no matter who made
them. If they don't, something is horribly wrong
with one of them. I also think that coloring the
audio, which I would think would have to be
intensional, is a really bad idea. What if you
don't want the color a DAW provides, assuming it
does provide a color? Well then you're basically
screwed out of using that DAW. It should be up
to the producer to color the audio the way they
want it. That's what things like ozone, neutron,
etc are for. I would still be interested in a
NULL test, as, from what I've read, something as
simple as having a different default panning law
can have a drastic difference on the quality or
"color" of the audio. I might have to do this myself to find out.
-Michael.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Hsc sets with sonar
Dear Michael,
You could think that the only thing that matters to sound quality is
your sound card. I used to think this to.
But the difference between DAWs becomes more obvious with the number of
tracks in your project. Each DAW seems to have its own way of summing
tracks in the digital domain.
Also, Samplitude has much better built-in Equalisers and dynamic
processing Than the version of sonar we can use had. And, Samplitude has
something I love which is automatic cross fade each time you punch, cut
or paste. in 99% cases you don't have to worry about zero crossings any
more which is a big time saver.
I still like sonar for its MIDI part, but I will be using Samplitude for
audio from now on.
For the record, I did a little test, a blind test if you like, with
these two fines you can listen to here.
Same thing recorded in sonar and Samplitude, and I don't say which is
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Le 09/02/2017 à 00:42, Michael Taboada a écrit :
I'd be interested to see if someone had donea null test on samplitude versus sonar, as
there is quite a bit of an argument as to
whether daws in general can actually sound
different from each other. I'm of the opinion
that any daw Will get the work done, as long as
it's programmed properly, and any differences
are probably down to user error, etc. rather
than a daw actually sounding different. But
like I said, there is a lot of argument about this.
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On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:31 PM, Phil Muir
get a bit of work done E.G. get
JSonar works enough on Windows 10 for me to
old projects out of it. Wouldn't mix in Sonar now if you paid me as it
doesn't sound that great and won't work in Sonar at all now if I can
goingit. Record, mix and master in Samplitude Pro X3 Suite. It's like
[<mailto:vipaudioaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:vipaudioaccess-bounce@frfrom 2D to 3D mixing. Samplitude sounds absolutely fantastic!!
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Windows 10 as CT on Windows 7?Sent: 08 February 2017 17:20
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Re: Hsc sets with sonar
Hey Phil,
Does Sonar 8.5 work on Windows 10 with J Sonar?
Does J Sonar offer the same accessibility on
I thought that accessibility in Sonar was a thing of the pass, since
thereis no longer a Windows Classic theme for Windows 10. am I wrong? Is
andaccessibility in Windows 10 even without the Windows classic theme?
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On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Phil Muir
[<mailto:vipaudioaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:vipaudioaccess-bounce@frwrote:
You do on Windows 10 as Cake Talking doesn't support that.
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Subject: [vipaudioaccess] Hsc sets with sonar
Hello everyone
I am still using sonar 8.5 and it is working well for me.
Do I need J sonar to use HSC?
Thanks
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