You are right Mark. Our company has tried to sell our leaded stock to component dealers pretty unsuccessfully so far, but maybe a stronger need for leaded components helps us clearing up our slow moving stock. I know it may sound silly in a forum such as this but I can tell you one of our customers who are designers of street lighting lamps with very high luminance LEDs have found more than once difficult to find components in e-Bay. Please don't shoot, it was just a thought. Pedro Tort Quality Manager DigiProces, S.A. Solsones, 87 - P.I. Pla de la Bruguera E-08211 CASTELLAR DEL VALLÈS (Barcelona) Spain TEL. +34 937 142 132 FAX. +34 937 142 072 www.digiproces.com -----Mensaje original----- De: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Mark Vaughan Enviado el: jueves, 09 de octubre de 2008 9:04 Para: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [tinwhiskers] Re: AW: [RoHSUSAPushback] Connection failure in the super collider There are still a lot of pre ROHS components out there if you search for them. Not a solution that will last for ever, but might get you buy for a while. There are also loads of firms that just can't throw out their non compliant stock and are hoarding it. Many trading agents are starting to contact firms looking for that stock, so more may flow onto the market for exempt work. Regs Mark Dr. Mark Vaughan Ph'D., B.Eng. M0VAU Managing Director Vaughan Industries Ltd., reg in UK no 2561068 Water Care Technology Ltd, reg in UK no 4129351 Addr Unit3, Sydney House, Blackwater, Truro, Cornwall, TR4 8HH UK. Phone/Fax 44 (0) 1872 561288 RSGB DRM111 (Cornwall) -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Landman Sent: 09 October 2008 02:37 To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: AW: [RoHSUSAPushback] Connection failure in the super collider Hi Ed! That's the issue, exemptions are empty gestures. It is rare that I can still get parts with lead on them. Bob -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Parnagian, Ed Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: AW: [RoHSUSAPushback] Connection failure in the super collider Hi, Bob! Actually there are currently two categories that are exempt in Europe until ~2010: Category 8, Medical and Category 9, and high end Measurement & Control equipment such as made by the likes of Agilent. Unfortunately, both have to get their circuit components from the vendors that have mostly gone lead-free. Best regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Landman Sent: 2008 Oct 07 12:47 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: AW: [RoHSUSAPushback] Connection failure in the super collider I do not understand how CERN came to be exempt (if indeed it did) from no-lead RoHS. How did they get an exemption? Scientific instrumentation is not exempt from RoHS. I spent a good deal of my life in physics research and I don't believe we ever got exemptions for any environmental regulations. As you say, all the components they would use are today lead-free so even if they wanted to not comply with RoHS, they would inadvertantly do so. As for soldering down in the trench, there are warmer sections of the magnet systems that are, I'm sure, soldered with conventional solder. The question is, what kind? Bob Landman H&L Instruments,LLC -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rod Dalitz Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:39 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: AW: [RoHSUSAPushback] Connection failure in the super collider On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:21, Klaus Reindl wrote: > ... Work on the Super Collider might have started before RoHS becoming > effective. > Besides, the whole application is exempt from it. You can be exempt, but unless you recognise there is a potential problem, you would just use mainstream supplies. Many technical parts of the LHC are sufficiently technical not to be relevant, I doubt you connect superconducting wire with tin/lead solder. But I would love to ask those concerned. I have not found a place to ask that question. regards, Rod rod.dalitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx