[THIN] Re: high availability
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:44:01 -0700
Okay, this is getting too weird... :)
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 9:43 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Whats even funnier is I have a bottle of that. Bought at Heaven on Seven =
in
Chicago...
Cool.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
>If it all goes belly up, then I'm changing my name to Fifi and=3D20 =20
>moving to Mexico and buying a very very large sombrero.
Brian,=3D20
That is the greatest tag line in email I have ever seen! It reminds of =
=3D the
hot sauce bottle I saw on a client's desk. It is the hottest sauce ever =
=3D
made and its name is "Slap my ass and call me Sally!"
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D
Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:35 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
I am keen to pursue a single global farm as it will allow us single =3D =
points
of administration, and the single farm allows us to provide much =3D
simplified global DR and failover through the use zone preferences and =
zone
=3D failover.
On Big Ron's advice, I am looking seriously at the subscriber/publisher
replication model with a non-clusterd master and maybe 5 (max) non =3D
clustered replication partners!
I believe that, if we cannot trust a Data Store for a global solution, =
=3D
then we cannot trust it for a regional solution which, would be also be
catastrophic if we lost. =3D20
If the worst comes to the worst we will automagically rebuild the farm =
=3D
using the shiney new .net MF class libraries included with the MPS3 SDK.
Ok, =3D I just made the bit about the .net MF classes up...but soon..
Citrix touts MPS3 as a real global solution and I am prepared to take =
=3D them
on. If I can keep the replicated data stores down to the minimum I feel
reasonably warm about a single global farm. Again, as I said earlier, =
=3D its
not so much about high availability of the Data store but more to do =3D =
with
the integrity of the Data Store.
If it all goes belly up, then I'm changing my name to Fifi and moving to
Mexico and buying a very very large sombrero.
In the meantime, in terms of ensuring integrity of the data store, does
anyone have recommendations of using dscheck on a daily basis on perhaps =
=3D
an off-line replicated copy of the data store database? What are the =
best
switches for dscheck and I wonder if the version with MPS3.0 includes
everything that dsverify can do??
Thanks again for the discussions buys.. just tell me I am doing the =3D =
right
thing...
Brother Brianos
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 12 May 2004 05:33
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Ron,=3D3D20
I think you are right about the multiple farms. I think Brian's solution =
=3D
=3D3D is really to have multiple farms managed under a single 3.0 =
environment.
=3D =3D3D Each farm could have whatever level of SQL redundancy that is =
=3D
appropriate =3D3D locally with it's own unique farm/data store. In =
addition,
SQL could be backed =3D3D up as a whole DB either through replication or
scheduled =3D backups across the =3D3D WAN to DR and/or multiple other =
data
centers.
How about that Brian, a free worldwide architecture analysis!
Long live Internet lists and Open source!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:28 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Very possible. Depending on the number of servers at the sites. If he is
talking, 8,10 maybe even 15 or 20 he would be ok across the WAN =3D3D =
=3D
(assuming 3.0 and good network pipes that aren't already tight) Even =
though
its =3D =3D3D not really Citrix's recommended situation since for years =
now they
have had =3D =3D3D IMA start time problems.
But if he is talking real farms in the 50, 100, or more server per site. =
=3D
=3D3D I wouldn't risk it.=3D3D20
Then again With 3.0 I would really being Eyeing multi-farms sharing a
license server.=3D3D20
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:34 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Sounds to me like this solution would be overly complex with 8 =3D3D3D =
=3D3D
production sites around the world. What about a larger single SQL =3D =
cluster
at HQ and then a DR cluster instead (i.e. hit SQL over the wan) ? With =
MF =3D
3.0 the =3D3D =3D3D3D IMA traffic should be greatly reduced and Zone no =
longer =3D
update each =3D3D other unless there is a specific cross zone =
request....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
There are two ways to do it. Merge replication (not supported by Citrix) =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D and Transactional replication. The change to a subscriber =
(remote
=3D SQL =3D3D
DB) is
really passed to the Publisher (master copy) to verify that there is no
conflict with the change. The change is incorporated at the publisher, =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D then replicated back to the subscriber. It's a really fast =
process and
=3D =3D3D works pretty well in most cases. It also gives you the "look" =
of
having =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D writable copies in all locations. If the =
publisher is
down though =3D you cant change =3D3D =3D3D3D the DB but you can get =
into the CMC
and look around =3D etc.
But you still have to turn one of the DS DBs into a publisher if you are =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D not going to be able to recover the primary.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:23 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Seems to me that if you have farms around the world depending on a =3D =
=3D3D3D3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D single data store that it would been to be fault tolerant =
in a =3D
true =3D3D =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D active-active scenario, i.e. all instances =
have all
the information and =3D3D can accept =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D reads and writes. =
Is this =3D
possible with MS SQL???
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D3D3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:03 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
also, if you had four marooned sites with read/write replica's of the =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Data Store, how would you recover from this in terms =
of =3D
re-syncing the =3D3D =3D3D3D3D databases?
Thanks,
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: 11 May 2004 16:49
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Big Ron,=3D3D3D3D20
When you say "SQL server", I assume you are referring to SQL based
relational database servers in general and not specifically to MS SQL
server.
Ok, now I may be being totally over-pessimistic about =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D
publisher/subscriber replication here, but do you think it would be =
=3D3D
feasible to operate =3D3D3D3D something like the following: as part of a
controlled maintenance =3D3D3D window, point a server to the master copy =
=3D of
the =3D3D datastore for the duration of updates =3D3D3D3D to the data =
store? =3D
=3D3D3D3D20
Are the benefits gained by having a simpler replication topology =
=3D3D3D3D
outweighed by the amount of effort to provide a maintenance schedule =3D =
=3D3D3D
=3D3D like above. I =3D3D3D3D am ultra paranoid about a single global =
farm =3D
replicated =3D3D =3D3D3D between
8+ servers.
Would you trust the publisher/subscriber model for 8+ Data Store global
single farm? Do you trust DSCHECK? Am I worrying too much? =3D3D3D3D20
thanks in advance,
Brian
=3D3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 11 May 2004 13:46
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Well. One thing that I can say is any location you have a Citrix server
using a SQL server the DB should be read/write/. Now what do I mean by =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D that? I mean that you should be using a =
publisher/subscriber =3D
model with transactional replication/immediate updating. This will =
allow
the =3D3D3D3D =3D3D =3D3D3D changes from servers talking to the =
subscriber to be =3D
pushed up to the Publisher
(master) written into the DS, then replicated to all servers.
The trick with this is that any servers online are going to have changes =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D (of some type, print drivers added, hotfixes =
added, etc).
=3D And =3D3D these =3D3D3D changes =3D3D3D3D need to update the DS. So =
I would not
use a =3D straight push =3D3D for any =3D3D3D SQL server =3D3D3D3D with =
hot online
servers =3D connecting to it. Now =3D3D to use one as a =3D3D3D COLD SQL =
server
=3D3D3D3D you can do =3D that. But lets assume a =3D3D site loss. You =
have =3D3D3D
lost 50-75 servers in =3D =3D3D3D3D one site along with the =3D3D =
Datastore. Now
you have a =3D3D3D shipped Database to =3D =3D3D3D3D another site. And =
you are
going =3D3D to start installing =3D3D3D servers =3D into that site to =
=3D3D3D3D get
you up to =3D3D capacity. All the shipping did was =3D =3D3D3D handle =
your
published apps =3D3D3D3D and licenses =3D3D for the most part, since =3D =
the 75
=3D3D3D servers are "gone" but remain =3D3D3D3D as =3D3D ghosts in the =
DS and you
=3D still have to get =3D3D3D a bunch of servers on line.
Get it?
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:10 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Big Ron,
Thanks again for your response.
I will be replicating a master read/write copy of the database to =3D =
=3D3D3D3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D perhaps 5 major regional sites and maybe a couple more at =
a push.
=3D =3D3D =3D3D3D3D20
Again, back to the DR hot-sites, should I make a data store present =
=3D3D =3D
=3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D there also?
I guess it's a balance between reducing the complexity of the data store
replication and having a truly 'marooned' DR site available almost
immediately.
Personally, from the feelings I got from this list, I would tend =3D =
=3D3D3D3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D towards keeping the data store replication to a minimum =
and =3D
allowing the =3D3D DR =3D3D3D3D scenario the Citrix grace period to =
restore a
data store =3D onto an =3D3D Oracle =3D3D3D box which =3D3D3D3D is =
pretty straight
forward.
When I first asked about data store replication some weeks ago, I =3D =
=3D3D3D3D
mentioned replication to ten servers globally for a single farm model =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D (and most of =3D3D3D3D the old timers winced slightly). I am =
still =3D
looking to =3D3D move forward with a global single farm with data store
replication to a =3D =3D3D3D =3D3D reduced number, prob =3D3D3D3D 5 or =
so... do you
guys still hold the =3D same view?
Also, can DSCHECK.EXE be trusted as a signature for health on the IMA =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D data store?
best regards,
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 10 May 2004 20:07
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability
Simple answer. No it does not need to be clustered. Complicated =
=3D3D3D3D =3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D answer... maybe.=3D3D3D3D20
I mean the real trick is how many (and what type) of changes will you =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D need to make if it is unavailable. In most cases your =
answer =3D
will be =3D3D none. We =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D can operate without making =
changes to the
DS for =3D a couple =3D3D of days. If =3D3D3D that =3D3D3D3D is true =
then you don't
need the =3D cluster.=3D3D3D3D20
Replication or shipping of the DB/Logs is needed though for any type of =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D DR. Of course there are drawbacks to this too. I =
mean If =3D
you use =3D3D =3D3D3D3D transactional replication then when the primary =
is gone
you cant =3D make changes anyway (until you turn the subscriber into the
publisher). So it =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D all depends.=3D3D3D3D20
Hey, I can come out and work on this with ya. It sounds fun and right up =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D my alley.=3D3D3D3D20
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:39 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] high availability
Chaps, I need to draw on your experiences again...
Does the primary IMA Data Store really need to be clustered, or is this =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D more complication than it is worth. KISS =
principle, etc.?
I appreciate that high availability is important, but isn't the =
=3D3D3D3D =3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D integrity of the database even more important. Without a =
Data
Store, =3D =3D3D what's the =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D worse that could happen =
during the 96
hours, =3D you can't =3D3D make changes??
If something was seriously wrong the master IMA Data Store cluster node =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D A, would we want the second cluster to take =
over? Is =3D
there not a further chance of corrupting data by having this nice-ity??
If the Data Store becomes unavailable, presumably an app server can =
=3D3D =3D
=3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D still boot from the contents of the LHC?
thanks,=3D3D3D3D20
Brian
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