[THIN] Re: high availability

  • From: "Ron Oglesby" <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:42:35 -0500

Whats even funnier is I have a bottle of that. Bought at Heaven on Seven in
Chicago...

Cool.

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
 
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
 
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability

>If it all goes belly up, then I'm changing my name to Fifi and=20
> moving to Mexico and buying a very very large sombrero.

Brian,=20

That is the greatest tag line in email I have ever seen! It reminds of =
the
hot sauce bottle I saw on a client's desk. It is the hottest sauce ever =
made
and its name is "Slap my ass and call me Sally!"



Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:35 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability



I am keen to pursue a single global farm as it will allow us single =
points
of administration, and the single farm allows us to provide much =
simplified
global DR and failover through the use zone preferences and zone =
failover.

On Big Ron's advice, I am looking seriously at the subscriber/publisher
replication model with a non-clusterd master and maybe 5 (max) non =
clustered
replication partners!

I believe that, if we cannot trust a Data Store for a global solution, =
then
we cannot trust it for a regional solution which, would be also be
catastrophic if we lost. =20

If the worst comes to the worst we will automagically rebuild the farm =
using
the shiney new .net MF class libraries included with the MPS3 SDK.  Ok, =
I
just made the bit about the .net MF classes up...but soon..

Citrix touts MPS3 as a real global solution and I am prepared to take =
them
on. If I can keep the replicated data stores down to the minimum I feel
reasonably warm about a single global farm.  Again, as I said earlier, =
its
not so much about high availability of the Data store but more to do =
with
the integrity of the Data Store.

If it all goes belly up, then I'm changing my name to Fifi and moving to
Mexico and buying a very very large sombrero.

In the meantime, in terms of ensuring integrity of the data store, does
anyone have recommendations of using dscheck on a daily basis on perhaps =
an
off-line replicated copy of the data store database?  What are the best
switches for dscheck and I wonder if the version with MPS3.0 includes
everything that dsverify can do??

Thanks again for the discussions buys.. just tell me I am doing the =
right
thing...

Brother Brianos

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 12 May 2004 05:33
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability



Ron,=3D20

I think you are right about the multiple farms. I think Brian's solution =
=3D
is really to have multiple farms managed under a single 3.0 environment. =
=3D
Each farm could have whatever level of SQL redundancy that is =
appropriate =3D
locally with it's own unique farm/data store. In addition, SQL could be
backed =3D up as a whole DB either through replication or scheduled =
backups
across the =3D WAN to DR and/or multiple other data centers.

How about that Brian, a free worldwide architecture analysis!

Long live Internet lists and Open source!

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:28 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Very possible. Depending on the number of servers at the sites. If he is
talking, 8,10 maybe even 15 or 20 he would be ok across the WAN =3D =
(assuming
3.0 and good network pipes that aren't already tight) Even though its =
=3D not
really Citrix's recommended situation since for years now they have had =
=3D
IMA start time problems.

But if he is talking real farms in the 50, 100, or more server per site. =
=3D I
wouldn't risk it.=3D20

Then again With 3.0 I would really being Eyeing multi-farms sharing a
license server.=3D20

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D20

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:34 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Sounds to me like this solution would be overly complex with 8 =3D3D =3D
production sites around the world. What about a larger single SQL =
cluster at
HQ and then a DR cluster instead (i.e. hit SQL over the wan) ? With MF =
3.0
the =3D =3D3D IMA traffic should be greatly reduced and Zone no longer =
update
each =3D other unless there is a specific cross zone request....

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


There are two ways to do it. Merge replication (not supported by Citrix) =
=3D
=3D3D and Transactional replication. The change to a subscriber (remote =
SQL =3D
DB) is
really passed to the Publisher (master copy) to verify that there is no
conflict with the change. The change is incorporated at the publisher, =
=3D =3D3D
then replicated back to the subscriber. It's a really fast process and =
=3D
works pretty well in most cases. It also gives you the "look" of having =
=3D3D
=3D writable copies in all locations. If the publisher is down though =
you cant
change =3D =3D3D the DB but you can get into the CMC and look around =
etc.

But you still have to turn one of the DS DBs into a publisher if you are =
=3D
=3D3D not going to be able to recover the primary.

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D20

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:23 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Seems to me that if you have farms around the world depending on a =
=3D3D3D =3D
=3D3D single data store that it would been to be fault tolerant in a =
true =3D
=3D3D3D =3D3D active-active scenario, i.e. all instances have all the
information and =3D can accept =3D3D3D =3D3D reads and writes. Is this =
possible
with MS SQL???

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax=3D3D3D20
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx



-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:03 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


also, if you had four marooned sites with read/write replica's of the =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Data Store, how would you recover from this in terms of =
re-syncing the
=3D =3D3D3D databases?


Thanks,

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: 11 May 2004 16:49
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Big Ron,=3D3D3D20

When you say "SQL server", I assume you are referring to SQL based
relational database servers in general and not specifically to MS SQL
server.

Ok, now I may be being totally over-pessimistic about =3D3D3D =3D3D
publisher/subscriber replication here, but do you think it would be =3D
feasible to operate =3D3D3D something like the following: as part of a
controlled maintenance =3D3D window, point a server to the master copy =
of the
=3D datastore for the duration of updates =3D3D3D to the data store? =
=3D3D3D20

Are the benefits gained by having a simpler replication topology =3D3D3D
outweighed by the amount of effort to provide a maintenance schedule =
=3D3D =3D
like above.  I =3D3D3D am ultra paranoid about a single global farm =
replicated
=3D =3D3D between
8+ servers.

Would you trust the publisher/subscriber model for 8+ Data Store global
single farm? Do you trust DSCHECK?  Am I worrying too much? =3D3D3D20

thanks in advance,

Brian

=3D3D3D20

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 11 May 2004 13:46
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Well. One thing that I can say is any location you have a Citrix server
using a SQL server the DB should be read/write/. Now what do I mean by =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D that? I mean that you should be using a publisher/subscriber =
model
with transactional replication/immediate updating.  This will allow the
=3D3D3D =3D =3D3D changes from servers talking to the subscriber to be =
pushed up
to the Publisher
(master) written into the DS, then replicated to all servers.

The trick with this is that any servers online are going to have changes =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D (of some type, print drivers added, hotfixes added, etc). =
And =3D
these =3D3D changes =3D3D3D need to update the DS. So I would not use a =
straight
push =3D for any =3D3D SQL server =3D3D3D with hot online servers =
connecting to
it. Now =3D to use one as a =3D3D COLD SQL server =3D3D3D you can do =
that. But
lets assume a =3D site loss. You have =3D3D lost 50-75 servers in =
=3D3D3D one site
along with the =3D Datastore. Now you have a =3D3D shipped Database to =
=3D3D3D
another site. And you are going =3D to start installing =3D3D servers =
into that
site to =3D3D3D get you up to =3D capacity. All the shipping did was =
=3D3D handle
your published apps =3D3D3D and licenses =3D for the most part, since =
the 75 =3D3D
servers are "gone" but remain =3D3D3D as =3D ghosts in the DS and you =
still have
to get =3D3D a bunch of servers on line.

Get it?

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:10 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability

Big Ron,

Thanks again for your response.

I will be replicating a master read/write copy of the database to =
=3D3D3D =3D
=3D3D perhaps 5 major regional sites and maybe a couple more at a push. =
=3D
=3D3D3D20

Again, back to the DR hot-sites, should I make a data store present =3D =
=3D3D3D
=3D3D there also?

I guess it's a balance between reducing the complexity of the data store
replication and having a truly 'marooned' DR site available almost
immediately.

Personally, from the feelings I got from this list,  I would tend =
=3D3D3D =3D
=3D3D towards keeping the data store replication to a minimum and =
allowing the
=3D DR =3D3D3D scenario the Citrix grace period to restore a data store =
onto an
=3D Oracle =3D3D box which =3D3D3D is pretty straight forward.

When I first asked about data store replication some weeks ago, I =
=3D3D3D
mentioned replication to ten servers globally for a single farm model =
=3D =3D3D
(and most of =3D3D3D the old timers winced slightly).  I am still =
looking to =3D
move forward with a global single farm with data store replication to a =
=3D3D
=3D reduced number, prob =3D3D3D 5 or so... do you guys still hold the =
same
view?

Also, can DSCHECK.EXE be trusted as a signature for health on the IMA =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D data store?

best regards,

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: 10 May 2004 20:07
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: high availability


Simple answer. No it does not need to be clustered. Complicated =3D3D3D =
=3D =3D3D
answer... maybe.=3D3D3D20

I mean the real trick is how many (and what type) of changes will you =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D need to make if it is unavailable. In most cases your answer =
will be =3D
none. We =3D3D =3D3D3D can operate without making changes to the DS for =
a couple
=3D of days. If =3D3D that =3D3D3D is true then you don't need the =
cluster.=3D3D3D20

Replication or shipping of the DB/Logs is needed though for any type of =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D DR. Of course there are drawbacks to this too. I mean If =
you use =3D
=3D3D3D transactional replication then when the primary is gone you cant =
make
changes anyway (until you turn the subscriber into the publisher). So it =
=3D
=3D3D all depends.=3D3D3D20

Hey, I can come out and work on this with ya. It sounds fun and right up =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D my alley.=3D3D3D20

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
=3D3D3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Mobile 815 325-7618
Office 312 372-7188
e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D3D3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
=3D =3D3D
=3D3D3D Behalf Of Lilley, Brian
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 8:39 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] high availability

Chaps, I need to draw on your experiences again...

Does the primary IMA Data Store really need to be clustered, or is this =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D more complication than it is worth. KISS principle, etc.?

I appreciate that high availability is important, but isn't the =3D3D3D =
=3D =3D3D
integrity of the database even more important.  Without a Data Store, =
=3D
what's the =3D3D =3D3D3D worse that could happen during the 96 hours, =
you can't
=3D make changes??

If something was seriously wrong the master IMA Data Store cluster node =
=3D
=3D3D =3D3D3D A, would we want the second cluster to take over?  Is =
there not a
further chance of corrupting data by having this nice-ity??

If the Data Store becomes unavailable, presumably an app server can =3D =
=3D3D3D
=3D3D still boot from the contents of the LHC?

thanks,=3D3D3D20

Brian

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