I'm in good old "cold" Norway coldest we had this winter was -10 Celsius (5Fahrenheit or so ??)... and that only for a few days most of the winter has been +5 - +10 Celsius (40-45 Fahrenheit or so??) On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:31:54 -0500, Jan Broucinek <tinybeetle@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Right now it is 73F (22Celsius) outside, although it is a bit overcast. > > Ahhh, Florida in the winter. Almost makes the summers worth it... > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pavlo Ignatusha > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:30 AM > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > We've got so much cold we decided to share with neighbours :) > > This morning it was -32 Celsius (-24 F) again. I'm tired of it. > > Pav > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > Of Tim Mangan > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:04 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > > > We made you keep your hockey players this year so you send us all this snow > and cold? > > > ________________________________ > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Pavlo Ignatusha > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:42 PM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > your weather looks like our canadian winter to me :)) > > > > > > anyway these servers are already 2Gb each and 3rd is 4 Gb. If I add more > memory should I make my page to match new memory? Currently I have 2Gb RAM > and 1 pagefile on X:\ and 1 pagefile on Y:\ drives. There was a MS article > way back that if you have 2 pagefiles like this one is used for apps and the > other is used for OS. My hard drive subsystem on all servers is Intelor > Compaq hardware RAID 5 on 3 disks (all SCSI). > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > Pavlo Ignatusha > Systems Network Coordinator > Pembroke General Hospital > Tel. (613) 732-3675 ext.6150 > Fax. (613) 732-9986 > www.pemgenhos.org > > "All that matters is love and work" - Sigmund Freud. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > Of Tim Mangan > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:23 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > Yeah, I was away a while tooâ Now I'm buried under snow (2.5 ft Monday, > another foot coming down today) so I'm not going anywhere soon! > > > > OK. >From what you write, it looks mostly like a memory/paging issue â but > you may want to look at file I/O as well. All my CMC are now Hudson (it's a > test lab) so I can't see any "page swaps 100%" in the CMC. I think that > should really mean your committed memory is 100% of physical memory â which > matches what you wrote. > > > > By the way, just being near the physical memory limit will cause the system > to start paging things out at a quicker rate, so as to ensure that > "available memory" is reasonably available. If paging is actually the > problem, you could extend your memory from 1.5GB to 2GB. The DLL rebasing > add-on products (there are now many to choose from) can reduce your > committed memory usage some as an alternative. They help with non-office > apps as Microsoft is usually pretty good about building there dlls. How > much reduction in memory? You really have to run one for a month or so to > see. > > > > But given that when you have the problem you are spiking only to > 100-800/sec, I wonder about your file I/O system. A slow disk might be the > real problem. You might want to look at that. A slow disk drags > performance down even if paging isn't happening. > > > > PS: It may be time to get a good VAR to take a look at your systems and > make an educated recommendation. > > > > Good luck! > > > > tim > > > ________________________________ > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Pavlo Ignatusha > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:33 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > > > > Tim, > > > > > > Thanks for keeping this thread up. I was away for a few days and after was > collecting some more data about my troubled servers > > > > > > When I mention Page Swaps I referred to the CMC Advanced Load Evaluator that > uses Page Swaps as 1 of the criterias. When I go to look at Load manager > monitor in CMC I would see Page Swaps 100% with CPU and Memory not exceeding > 20-30% > > > > > > All my citix servers are W2K Standard Server SP4 with Citrix XPa FR3/SP3 > > > > > > At least on 1 server when it was in trouble "Total Commit Charge" exceeded > "Total Memory counter. On the others they are pretty close but still "Total > Commit Charge" is lower by 15-25 Mb. The only exception is that third server > with 4Gb and HT enabled that "Total Memory" is 1.5Gb higher then "Total > Commit Charge". > > > > > > When servers are in OK shape "Memory:Pages/Sec" averages about 20.000 with > occasional spikes up to 200.000 pages > > > > > > When the trouble is there "Memory:Pages/Sec" averages over 100.000 with > spikes up to 800.000 pages > > > > > > I noticed that when in trouble I have about 140 users spread over these 3 > servers (From licensing in CMC). We are published application shop so 1 user > may have sessions with few servers as a result of load balancing. This mean > that I may have 50-60 user sessions on each server. Most of our users my be > considered as heavy users. Does this indicates I need another server? > > > > > > I've been reading the thread and I would like to point out I only have 1 > server out of 3 that can use HT (and has it on). This server behaves in CMC > just the same as others (despite having 2 times memory (4Gb instead of 2Gb) > and faster CPU). The memory on it used only a little more then 2Gb. > > > > > Thanks, > > Pavlo Ignatusha > Systems Network Coordinator > Pembroke General Hospital > Tel. (613) 732-3675 ext.6150 > Fax. (613) 732-9986 > www.pemgenhos.org > > "All that matters is love and work" - Sigmund Freud. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf > Of Tim Mangan > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:29 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > Pavlo, > > > > I looked back at the thread, because I thought you mentioned Win2K servers, > but I couldn't find the reference. If so, Hyperthreading should be disabled > (Hyperthreading is OK on Win2k03 and WinXP). I have not seen it cause these > symptoms â but who knows? Hyperthreading is disabled in the BIOS. > > > > Originally, you mentioned that "Page Swaps 100%". What does that mean? So > let's explore if that is really what is going on. > > > > If I thought paging was an issue, I would first look to the Windows Task > Manager to see if the "Total Commit Charge" exceeds the "Physical Memory". > Constant paging will not occur until physical memory is exceeded. In the > numbers you show, it looks like (at least for that snapshot) you are below > this threshold. So I would use the performance monitor to watch these > values. (Note: you should run the Performance Monitor GUI from another > system and gather stats remotely). Next, I would look a the Performance > Manager "Memory:Pages/Sec". This counter includes paging of code/data pages > of applications, plus paging due to application file system cache. The > counter is in pages per second. So how many pages per second, when the > problem is evident and when it is not? > > > > Tim Mangan > > > ________________________________ > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Pavlo Ignatusha > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:17 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Page file max out > > > > > OK, > > > > > > I spent some time in the Perfmon and here is what I found while CMC reports > full load based on Page Swap: > > > > > > 1. Perfmon %DPC and %Interrupt for each processor are almost flat (1-8%) > > > 2. Perfmon Process Page Faults/sec shows no single leader. A lot of apps > and windows services spike every so often but no one is claiming High page > Faults for longer then 2 sec. The most Page Faults were reported for > > > > > > WinMgmt > > > some instances of Dynamics > > > some instances of Winlogon > > > some instances of Winword > > > some instances of guiengine (SQL client for patient information system) > > > some instances of Outlook > > > some instances of Accuterm97 > > > spoolsv > > > some instances of CSRSS, wfcshell > > > naPrdMgr > > > > > > 3. Taskmon stats: > > > > > > Totals > > > Handles 62313 > > > Threads 3946 > > > Processes 334 > > > > > > Physical Memory (K) > > > Total 2096604 > > > Available 585365 > > > System Cache 362476 > > > > > > Kernel Memory (K) > > > Total 211100 > > > Paged 136364 > > > NonPaged 74740 > > > > > > Commit Charge (K) > > > Total 1841980 > > > Limit 7162272 > > > Peak 2428548 > > > > > > > > > Since I do not see a single source of the problem then maybe I'm running out > of resources? But interestingly I have 3rd server HP DL 380 with > Hyperthreading on and more memory but it is still hosting almost same number > of users and is getting maxed out on Page swap in CMC just as well. I'm > really puzzled. > > Thanks for any help with this, > > Pavlo Ignatusha > Systems Network Coordinator > Pembroke General Hospital > Tel. (613) 732-3675 ext.6150 > Fax. 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