Thank you for your detailed information. I had not heard of the Stressprinter utility but it sounds very helpful. I may have found part of the problem. I noticed in the spooler directory there was a number of tmp files from 2007. I deleted them as soon as I did the Citrix Print Manager Service started acting normal again (starting and stopping from the MMC). I checked each server in the farm and they all had old print files from 2007. I'm going to wait a few days and see if the problem reoccurs and in the mean time test all our print drivers with the Stressprinter utility. So far all the print drivers tested have 0 errors but I will carefully go through each driver on the server to ensure I don't miss any. Again, thanks very much for your help. Matthew Shrewsbury Director of Information Technology Coscan Homes, LLC 5555 Anglers Avenue, Suite 1 Fort Lauderdale, FL 33312 mshrewsbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.coscanhomes.com Phone: 954-620-1052 Fax: (954)-620-1001 This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named herein. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me at 954-620-1052 and permanently delete the original, including any attachments thereto, and any copy or printout thereof. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Mack Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:18 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: PS4 hung on logon Hi Matthew, It's highly likely that you've got a problem introduced by one or more print drivers. THe main culrpit seems to be HP, and while they're starting to work hard on fixing all new drivers, any driver older than about 12 months has to be tested before you let it loose in your production environment. It appears that in addition to code that can't handle multi-threaded operation, the HP developers managed to produce some really badly written drivers that cause memory corruption etc as well. Use the addprinter or Stressprinter utilities (download from Citrix) to test all your production drivers. DON'T do the testing on a production server, backup the existing production printer environment with the Microsoft print migrator tools (PrintMig 3) and restore it on to a test machine (can be an XP workstation). There are 2 populations of bad drivers, ones that crash the spooler which obviously have to be replaced and ones that have a huge CPU overhead in establishing printer queues, which should be replaced. The next version of StressPrinter will hopefully give us a handle to the high CPU drivers but until that happens addprinter may be more useful. If and when Citrix finally get their UPD print gateway finished you will be able to run your Citrix (XENApp? ;-) servers without installed printer drivers. Until that happens you need to rigorously test every printer driver used in your environment. Or use a third party UPD product to do your printing (ThinPrint, Tricerat, Provsion Networks etc). regards, Rick -- Ulrich Mack www.commander.com On Feb 1, 2008 1:44 AM, Matthew Shrewsbury <MShrewsbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Does the "Citrix Print Manager Service" failing to stop conclusively indicate this is a printer related issue or is this just a symptom of the problem? Any suggestions would be most welcome.