All true 9again this is just an exercise in "is it possible? And if so beneficial?" I mean if a server has a severe memory leak ot process that is eating memory then eventually (4 Gb or 12) you will run out of working set/memory anyway. So if you have a stable system and this an exception (an odd occurrence or as Tim says something going wacky)and normally run WELL below your amount of physical RAM it would be possible to run without a page file and see some type of performance benefit. (again another "tweak") I mean many of us have spent HOURS if not days trying small little tweaks to get a tiny bit more performance, Since all of this little tweaks are cumulative. What if something like this could give you a 1-2% boost with very little risk. I understand what Tim says (how it doesn't feel right) since Windows has always relied heavily on the pagefile even when not needing it. But we are working in a brave world here and I think I just might have to pilot this change to see what's what. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect Microsoft MVP - Windows Server RapidApp, Chicago Mobile 815 325-7618 Office 312 372-7188 e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bernd Harzog Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:34 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: No Pagefile for TS? I have to agree with Tim. There are basically two reasons that the page = file gets used heavily in TS environments. One is that applications = components get swapped to it (this is the problem that one of the = optimizations in TScale addresses), and the second is that the OS makes = sure that there is always enough working set available by "trimming" = pages in memory that have not been used recently. If you run without a page file, you will still benefit from TScale = because you will have cut your total VM available from lets say 12 GB (4 = GB RAM + 8 GB page file), to just 4 GB, and the memory savings delivered = by TScale will be all the more valuable to you. But, IF something = happens that causes the need for memory to exceed your 4GB you will run = out of working set. If you run out of working set, the OS blue screens. = Which leads us back to the reason why it is good to have a large page = file - it ensures that the OS has lots of places to put things so that = he does not run out of working set. Cheers, Bernd Harzog CEO RTO Software, Inc. bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx 678-455-5506 x701 www.rtosoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mangan [mailto:tmangan@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:19 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: No Pagefile for TS? Well you would save a little bit on all that page trimming activity. It just doesn't "feel right" though. You would have no protection should something go wacky. OK - maybe two things would have to go wacky - but still... -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Ron Oglesby Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 10:49 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] No Pagefile for TS? Anyone ever thought of this. Lets assume you have 4Gb of memory on a = bunch of Dual Proc boxes. You average about 1-1.5 TOTAL memory in use (page = file and physical)=20 =20 With 2003 you can disable the pagefile and run from Physical memory = only. Anyone ever try this or thought about it? 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