[TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon cable

From: Gaetan <techno1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:08:22 -0500
I do understand you Hollis , of course , when doing customised things , I 
always do them safely , and reliable too . I'm not stupid .
don't wanna loose some customers for stupid things (and would like better 
to visit Gary's shop then his cell in prison thou )
:-) lol
tks for caring

Gaetan Bourgouin
Techno Logik
Terrebonne  Que. Can.
techno1@xxxxxxxxxxxx


At 20:51 07-02-02 -0500, you wrote:

>I stand repremanded and for good reason. I sometimes get into the grandad
>mood and try to think of ways to protect you guys who are dwindling in number
>and are far underpaid. I shake your hand. Hollis Bates
> 
>
>                                     In a message dated 2/7/02 8:44:45 PM
>Eastern Standard Time, reldong@xxxxxxxxx writes:
>
><< Subj:     [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
>cable
>  Date:  2/7/02 8:44:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
>  From:  reldong@xxxxxxxxx (Richard Golden d.b.a. Golden Video Repair Center)
>  Sender:    techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Reply-to:  techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  To:    techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>  I do microws a lot of my customers have thier units built into thier cabnits
>  and match other kithen stuff.Some our very expensive. they really appreciate
>  me repairing them even thou I tell them they could buy a new one cheaper or
>  for the same money as the repair.I do use generic tubes.
>  Diodes etc.I 've found most of them will bring something else for me to
>  repair. But I am very careful I won't go to far.I don"t want anybodys house
>  to burn down.ouch
>  Richard
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:01 PM
>  Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon cable
>
>
>  >
>  > It all depends. If the problem is a bad interlock switch or thrmostat,
>  > then yes it is worht repairing. If the problem is a bad magnetron or
>  > power transformer, then no unless you have a lead on parts at a great
>  > price. Sometimes it is a BAD ENGINEERING design such as a slit ribbon
>  > cable that can't be repaired, making the oven useless. :)
>  >
>  >
>  > Gary McCartney
>  >
>  > McCartney Electronics
>  > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>  > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
>  > Fax: (519)821-1530
>  > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Rs Tek Inc wrote:
>  > >
>  > > Are microwaves even worth the time to fix?  Is dealing with all that old
>  > > nasty crusty food worth it?  I don't even take in vcr's anymore because
>  of
>  > > the replacemnet cost.
>  > >
>  > > just my 1/2 cents
>  > > Frank
>  > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:59 PM
>  > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
>  cable
>  > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Techs.
>  > > > Its not illegal to replace with subs unless the parts are shaded in
>  the
>  > > > service manual and parts list.
>  > > >
>  > > > Since probably  only 50% of the posters have manuals they wouldn't
>  even
>  > > know
>  > > > this. No one would ever know unless it started a fire.
>  > > >   I have had no luck using subs for a permanent repair.  I have many
>  sets
>  > > > come in here with SK and ECG subs and replacing with OEM's made a
>  > > permanent
>  > > > repair.  I take personal pride to repair to factory specifications if
>  > > > possible.  Some of the things that were done in the list below would
>  cost
>  > > > more in time and parts than tracking down the correct part.  I hope
>  every
>  > > > one working with microwave ovens have the correct leakage meter as per
>  > > > federal regulations.     I will use subs when a part is no longer
>  > > available,
>  > > > but I tell the customer it may not last.
>  > > >
>  > > > Phillip R Hull
>  > > > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > From: "Ken Dinckan" <kdinckan@xxxxxxx>
>  > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:55 AM
>  > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
>  > > cable
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Hi Gary
>  > > > > I agree for all
>  > > > > and this was a very good response for this fellow
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Ken Dinckan
>  > > > > ALL Tv&Appliance Service
>  > > > > 2747 Roosevelt Street # B
>  > > > > Carlsbad CA, 92008
>  > > > > tel: (760)434-1131
>  > > > > fax: (760)434-8856
>  > > > > email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
>  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:31 AM
>  > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad
>  ribbon
>  > > > cable
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Well, I'll tell ya. For all the "illegal" things I've done to
>  > > electronic
>  > > > > > equipment, I ought
>  > > > > > to be in jail for about 1000 years. In this business if you have
>  to
>  > > > > > worry about every little
>  > > > > > alteration that is made, you not gonna get any sleep and you'll
>  lose
>  > > out
>  > > > > > on a number of jobs
>  > > > > > because of expense to buy original parts. If what you are saying
>  is
>  > > > > > true, then I suggest that any time you replace a transistor with
>  an
>  > > ECG
>  > > > > > sub, you are also breaking the law for not installing the original
>  > > part.
>  > > > > > The ECG might not have the same specs as the original and for
>  heavens
>  > > > > > sakes could start a fire!!!!
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > My theory is, that as long as you replace parts with same or
>  better
>  > > > > > specs, even if you have to make alterations, you'll be doing you
>  and
>  > > > > > your customer a favor. My customers are always very happy when I
>  tell
>  > > > > > them that they have saved money or even saved there equipment from
>  the
>  > > > > > scrap yard because of alterations I've made. Maybe where you are
>  from
>  > > > > > there could be legal problems, but where I'm from, I've never
>  heard of
>  > > > > > it.
>  > > > > > Tell me how a jumper on a microwave keypad ribbon cable is gonna
>  cause
>  > > a
>  > > > > > safety problem. You might be thinking something like, "well, if
>  the
>  > > > > > connection comes loose and shorts out to another conductor causing
>  the
>  > > > > > start button to be activated..." well, BS to that. My job would be
>  > > neat
>  > > > > > and that wouldn't have a chance of happening.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Some of the things I've done that you wouldn't approve of are:
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -using a 9V motor in a cassette deck instead of a 12V, and
>  installing
>  > > my
>  > > > > > own 7809 voltage regulator to bring the B+ down to 9v to run the
>  motor
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -taking the top plate off a bad magnetron and installing it on a
>  > > > > > replacement magnetron because the mounting tabs of the plate onf
>  the
>  > > > > > replacement were oriented the wrong way.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -jumpering 40 traces on a cracked TV main board instead of buying
>  a
>  > > new
>  > > > > > board
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -in a power supply, using two 2200uF capacitors in parallel
>  instead of
>  > > > > > one 3900uF.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > - when a multiple winding transformer opened in a stereo receiver
>  > > power
>  > > > > > supply, I install three separate transformers in order to make up
>  all
>  > > > > > the required voltage outputs
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > - plastic button array no longer available on a TV set- solution,
>  > > > > > install my own bank of push button switches instead
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -replace picture tubes with numbers that don't anywhere match the
>  > > > > > original
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > -replace yokes with windings that are different than the original
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > - replace relays with ones that did not match, sometimes have to
>  drill
>  > > > > > new holes in circuit board to make them fit.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Is this enough, or are you having a heart attack by now?
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Next time, I might be writing you from jail.
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > Gary McCartney
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > McCartney Electronics
>  > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>  > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
>  > > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
>  > > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > >
>  > > > > > HSWAD@xxxxxxx wrote:
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > All the things you are attempting to do are illegal. Purchase a
>  > > proper
>  > > > > new
>  > > > > > > part or give it back to your customer.  If you jury rig and it
>  fails
>  > > > you
>  > > > > are
>  > > > > > > liable. 45 years experience here. Hollis
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >                  In a message dated 2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern
>  > > > Standard
>  > > > > Time,
>  > > > > > > number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > > << Subj:     [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced
>  keypad
>  > > > > ribbon
>  > > > > > > cable
>  > > > > > >  Date:  2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
>  > > > > > >  From:  number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Gary McCartney)
>  > > > > > >  Sender:    techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >  Reply-to:  techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >  To:    techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  Ya, I think I am pretty well screwed on this one. The
>  conductors
>  > > are
>  > > > > not
>  > > > > > >  copper. They are some type of painted -on substance. I also
>  can't
>  > > dig
>  > > > > > >  them out of the plastic. I've tried scraping and grinding and
>  > > > slicing,
>  > > > > > >  but can't reveal the conductor. I haven't ripped the keypad
>  away
>  > > from
>  > > > > > >  the plastic frame but I'm fairly sure that the ribbon cable and
>  > > > keypad
>  > > > > > >  are all one piece.
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  Thanks for the reply.
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  If anyone has some microwave keypads laying around that you are
>  > > > willing
>  > > > > > >  to part with
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  , I have posted a picture at:
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  http://www.number63.ca/microwave.jpg
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  I do not anticipate at this point that there is any problem
>  with
>  > > the
>  > > > > > >  control panel.
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  Gary McCartney
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  McCartney Electronics
>  > > > > > >  7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>  > > > > > >  Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
>  > > > > > >  Fax: (519)821-1530
>  > > > > > >  email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  J Silverman wrote:
>  > > > > > >  >
>  > > > > > >  > If you can expose enough of the traces and if they are copper
>  you
>  > > > may
>  > > > > be
>  > > > > > >  > able to solder a jumper wire across the break. I have done
>  this
>  > > on
>  > > > > > > camcorder
>  > > > > > >  > ribbon cables where there was lots of $ at stake. Sometimes
>  the
>  > > > > copper is
>  > > > > > > so
>  > > > > > >  > thin and narrow it just falls apart in the soldering. I dont
>  > > > believe
>  > > > > that a
>  > > > > > >  > paint will work as there is no way to support the ribbon
>  cable.
>  > > > > Sometimes I
>  > > > > > >  > just remove the ribbon cable and replace the whole thing with
>  > > > wires.
>  > > > > If the
>  > > > > > >  > buttons and ribbon cable are one piece that wont work for
>  you.
>  > > > > > >  > Jerry Silverman
>  > > > > > >  > Greentron Inc
>  > > > > > >  > 4 Newland Ave
>  > > > > > >  > Greenville SC 29609
>  > > > > > >  > 864 232 3889
>  > > > > > >  > Fax 271 2080
>  > > > > > >  > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > > > >  > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > > >  > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > > >  > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:14 PM
>  > > > > > >  > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced
>  keypad
>  > > > > ribbon
>  > > > > > > cable
>  > > > > > >  >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > Ken, many of the US 1-800 numbers will work from here.
>  There
>  > > are
>  > > > > some,
>  > > > > > >  > > however that don't.
>  > > > > > >  > > I have heard that there is an intermediate number that can
>  be
>  > > > > called and
>  > > > > > >  > > the charge is from the caller to the US border only. Not
>  sure
>  > > if
>  > > > it
>  > > > > > >  > > works or not.
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > This microwave is just a small one so the customer is not
>  > > likely
>  > > > > gonna
>  > > > > > >  > > want it fixed if I have to order a keypad, so either I have
>  to
>  > > > > bridge
>  > > > > > >  > > the trace in the flexible cable or forget it. I am
>  > > experimenting
>  > > >
>  > > > > with
>  > > > > > >  > > grinding the plastic with my dremel. May or may not work.
>  Then
>  > > if
>  > > > I
>  > > > > get
>  > > > > > >  > > the trace bare, I'll get some of that rear window defogger
>  > > repair
>  > > > > > >  > > compound. I haven't had any luck with the rubber keypad
>  repair
>  > > > kits
>  > > > > for
>  > > > > > >  > > remotes.
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > Ya, the customer must have got his tools against the flex
>  cable
>  > > > and
>  > > > > > >  > > split it open because he sure did a winning job at
>  > > re-installing
>  > > > > the
>  > > > > > >  > > interlock switch. Looked like something Red Green would
>  > > > > attempt....duct
>  > > > > > >  > > tape.
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > Gary McCartney
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > McCartney Electronics
>  > > > > > >  > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>  > > > > > >  > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
>  > > > > > >  > > Fax: (519)821-1530
>  > > > > > >  > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > >
>  > > > > > >  > > gulftech@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > Gary,
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > Have never had any luck trying to fix a keypad.  What a
>  dork
>  > > > your
>  > > > > > >  > > > customer is!!!  The keypad peels off of the front panel.
>  > > Clean
>  > > > > the
>  > > > > > >  > > > residue well before applying the new one, or it will not
>  be
>  > > > > smooth.
>  > > > > > > Try
>  > > > > > >  > > > Global--see below.
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > Ken,
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > I have worked on microwaves for 10 years.  That's the
>  first
>  > > > time
>  > > > > I ever
>  > > > > > >  > > > heard a magnetron referred to as a tube.  Call Global
>  > > > > Micro-Parts,
>  > > > > > >  > > > 1-800-325-8488.  Please start a new post with a new
>  topic.
>  > > > BTW,
>  > > > > you'll
>  > > > > > >  > > > need a number of the magnetron.
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > Gary--  Please don't laugh.  This is a serious question.
>  Do
>  > > > U.S.
>  > > > > 800
>  > > > > > >  > > > numbers work in Canada?
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > Ken Smith
>  > > > > > >  > > > Gulf Technical Services
>  > > > > > >  > > > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway
>  > > > > > >  > > > Gulf Breeze, FL  32563
>  > > > > > >  > > > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax)
>  > > > > > >  > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:48:39 -0800 "Ken Dinckan"
>  > > > > <kdinckan@xxxxxxx>
>  > > > > > >  > > > writes:
>  > > > > > >  > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > Hi Gary
>  > > > > > >  > > > > you can probably try that conductive material they use
>  for
>  > > > the
>  > > > > worn
>  > > > > > >  > > > > remote
>  > > > > > >  > > > > control buttons.. I never tried but it might work just
>  to
>  > > > give
>  > > > > you
>  > > > > > >  > > > > idea..
>  > > > > > >  > > > > See if it is helps
>  > > > > > >  > > > > I just had one Emerson Microwave and Tube is gone and
>  > > called
>  > > > > Fox
>  > > > > > >  > > > > they want $97.80 plus shipping. This Emerson has bad
>  > > > repitation
>  > > > > for
>  > > > > > >  > > > > me. So
>  > > > > > >  > > > > do you have any used tubes laying around??
>  > > > > > >  > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > Ken Dinckan
>  > > > > > >  > > > > ALL Tv&Appliance Service
>  > > > > > >  > > > > 2747 Roosevelt Street # B
>  > > > > > >  > > > > Carlsbad CA, 92008
>  > > > > > >  > > > > tel: (760)434-1131
>  > > > > > >  > > > > fax: (760)434-8856
>  > > > > > >  > > > > email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
>  > > > > > >  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > > > >  > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > > >  > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > > > > > >  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:33 PM
>  > > > > > >  > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced
>  keypad
>  > > > > ribbon
>  > > > > > >  > > > > cable
>  > > > > > >  > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > I have this microwave oven which the customer
>  attempted
>  > > to
>  > > > > repair
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > himself. He had duct tape wound around the primary
>  > > > interlock
>  > > > > > >  > > > > switch and
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > the switch was busted. After I replaced the switch
>  and
>  > > > > checked all
>  > > > > > >  > > > > the
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > interlock switches, I plugged the oven in and wasn't
>  able
>  > > > to
>  > > > > > >  > > > > control the
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > keypad except for the defrost and clear buttons. Then
>  I
>  > > > > noticed
>  > > > > > >  > > > > that 3
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > traces in the flexable ribbon cable from the keypad
>  to
>  > > the
>  > > > > control
>  > > > > > >  > > > > panel
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > were sliced. Does anyone have a way of repairing
>  this,
>  > > > other
>  > > > > than
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > ordering a new keypad? The traces are sandwiched in
>  > > plastic
>  > > > > and
>  > > > > > >  > > > > they are
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > made of that nasty un-solderable conductive material.
>  I
>  > > > tried
>  > > > > to
>  > > > > > >  > > > > scrape
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > the plastic down to the traces but was not
>  successful.
>  > > Can
>  > > > > the
>  > > > > > >  > > > > keypad be
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > removed from the plastic front panel which it seems
>  to be
>  > > > > > >  > > > > permanently
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > part of?
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > Thanks for any help.
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > --
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > Gary McCartney
>  > > > > > >  > > > > >
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > McCartney Electronics
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>  > > > > > >  > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
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