[tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
- From: "w.wood" <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:46:19 -0500
Well not only out of sight but also the quality isn't there either. I was
looking at those 4 valve heads but that is almost just pure racing stuff
right there, no way would they survive commuting day in and day out and at
$4400/pr I may as well just go buy a used 911 C3 engine since I'm halfway
there.
On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 6:44 AM, sammie smith
<bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Well, you know the old saying: "speed costs money, how fast do you want to
> go?" Could be changed to "horsepower costs money, how many do you want?"
> And Will is correct: costs of VW engine components have freakin gone outta
> sight.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Ronnie Hughes <fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Fri, April 13, 2012 11:41:37 PM
>
> *Subject:* [tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
>
>
> I have a well built (Cerrano) 1776 with a mild cam, a progressive weber
> and and electronic ignition in my '70 bus.
>
> The bus cruises well up and down hills. I'd love to stroke it, but not
> for $5K.
>
> ------------------------------
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:01 PM CDT sammie smith wrote:
>
> >Will: One of these days I am going to corner Damon Harmon and have a
> horsepower
> >conversation. Have talked to several people already and would like to
> have your
> >input. A few years ago Hot VWs did a 2007 build and ran it on the dyno.
> At the
> >flywheel with a 110 cam, 8.0 compression, stock ported heads and Weber
> 44s it
> >pulled 162 hp without the fan & generator. With the fan & generator it
> pulled
> >145. Hot VWs is currently building a 2007 with 7.5 compression and mild
> carb
> >set up specifically for a bus and forecasting 100 hp. Daniel Watts says
> their
> >2007 with a 110, CB performance heads, and 8.5 compression should pull
> maybe 125
> >hp. My Beck Spyder has the CB performance 1915, with CB heads, 110 cam
> and 8.0
> >compression which is the normal engine that Beck is putting in his
> turnkey
> >cars. CB says this engine pulls 130 hp. We can get into the old DIN vs.
> SAE
> >horsepower rating; but in my opinion to get an actual rating of engine
> >performance to measure the pure mechanics of the engine you should use
> SAE
> >standards. Assuming SAE standards and using the dyno test of HotVWs then
> the
> >good running "mild" 2007 should be pulling maybe 150+ HP.
> >
> >Pulling all of the accessories and measuring hp at the rear wheels may be
> OK for
> >measuring perfomance of the car with a particular engine, but it does not
> tell
> >you a whole heck of a lot about the engine. Lets measure it at the
> flywheel and
> >pulling no accessories.
> >
> >Except for the cost involved I would pull my own 2007 the way it is set
> up for
> >the baja and take it to Damon and measure the darn thing at the flywheel
> with
> >everything but the carbs stripped off the engine.
> >
> >Daniel Watts argues that there is no way the HotVW 2007 engine pulled
> 162hp. He
> >also says there is no way the CB 1915 Weber 44 engine in the Spyder
> produces 130
> >hp. As for me; I only know what other people tell me until I see it on a
> dyno.
> >And HotVWs and CB performance both say that's what the dyno says.
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Sent: Fri, April 13, 2012 8:49:31 PM
> >Subject: [tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
> >
> >Actually stroke + high rod angle = high torque... ;-)
> >
> >On a 2007, HP will be closer to 100 but then again what kind of heads
> will the
> >engine have? That's where the power and the heat comes from ultimately.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, sammie smith <
> bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >wrote:
> >
> >I vote for the Oakhill built 2007, either with one center mount weber or
> dual,
> >your preference. I have one in the Baja. Absolutely perfect engine.
> Hot VWs
> >is building a 2007 specifically for a bus (two part article, first part
> is in
> >the latest issue). Stroke gives you torque, and that is what you need in
> a
> >bus. One of our members also has one in his blue single cab that was at
> the Nac
> >show. He also loves his. Depending on compression, cam, carbs etc. you
> are
> >going to get 100 to 140 or so horsepower with a lot of torque. Not sure
> what
> >gear ratios are in a bay, but you might want to look into what to do with
> the
> >ratios in that tranny to take advantage of the additional power. You are
> >probably looking at $3,500 plus for a long block from Oakhill, but you
> would
> >have to talk to Daniel Watts for specifics. I personally cannot say
> enough
> >about how great their 2007 is. I am working on turning 50,000 miles in
> mine
> >which is in the baja.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >________________________________
> >From: "71Westy@xxxxxxxxxxx" <71Westy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: TCB@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Sent: Fri, April 13, 2012 10:48:07 AM
> >>
> >>Subject: [tcb] ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Looking at a real engine for my 71 Westy. Tired of putting in the
> 1600DP.
> >>
> >>Would like reliabilty, torque and simplicity. At the NAC show , someone
> told me
> >>to look into a 2007 cc with a progressive carb.Dual carbs are a mystery
> to me so
> >>the notion of a single carb got my attention.
> >>
> >>
> >>Who builds those around here? Oakhill I think is who Greg mentioned.
> >>
> >>Other ideas welcomed for the engine. Anyone have a Westy with a 1776 in
> it to
> >>test drive?
> >>
> >>Thanks, Trey
> >>
> >
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