[tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
- From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT)
Well, you know the old saying: "speed costs money, how fast do you want to
go?"
Could be changed to "horsepower costs money, how many do you want?" And Will
is
correct: costs of VW engine components have freakin gone outta sight.
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From: Ronnie Hughes <fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx>
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, April 13, 2012 11:41:37 PM
Subject: [tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
I have a well built (Cerrano) 1776 with a mild cam, a progressive weber and and
electronic ignition in my '70 bus.
The bus cruises well up and down hills. I'd love to stroke it, but not for $5K.
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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 10:01 PM CDT sammie smith wrote:
>Will: One of these days I am going to corner Damon Harmon and have a
>horsepower
>
>conversation. Have talked to several people already and would like to have
>your
>
>input. A few years ago Hot VWs did a 2007 build and ran it on the dyno. At
>the
>
>flywheel with a 110 cam, 8.0 compression, stock ported heads and Weber 44s it
>pulled 162 hp without the fan & generator. With the fan & generator it pulled
>145. Hot VWs is currently building a 2007 with 7.5 compression and mild carb
>set up specifically for a bus and forecasting 100 hp. Daniel Watts says their
>2007 with a 110, CB performance heads, and 8.5 compression should pull maybe
>125
>
>hp. My Beck Spyder has the CB performance 1915, with CB heads, 110 cam and
>8.0
>compression which is the normal engine that Beck is putting in his turnkey
>cars. CB says this engine pulls 130 hp. We can get into the old DIN vs. SAE
>horsepower rating; but in my opinion to get an actual rating of engine
>performance to measure the pure mechanics of the engine you should use SAE
>standards. Assuming SAE standards and using the dyno test of HotVWs then the
>good running "mild" 2007 should be pulling maybe 150+ HP.
>
>Pulling all of the accessories and measuring hp at the rear wheels may be OK
>for
>
>measuring perfomance of the car with a particular engine, but it does not tell
>you a whole heck of a lot about the engine. Lets measure it at the flywheel
>and
>
>pulling no accessories.
>
>Except for the cost involved I would pull my own 2007 the way it is set up for
>the baja and take it to Damon and measure the darn thing at the flywheel with
>everything but the carbs stripped off the engine.
>
>Daniel Watts argues that there is no way the HotVW 2007 engine pulled 162hp.
>He
>
>also says there is no way the CB 1915 Weber 44 engine in the Spyder produces
>130
>
>hp. As for me; I only know what other people tell me until I see it on a
>dyno.
>
>And HotVWs and CB performance both say that's what the dyno says.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: w.wood <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Fri, April 13, 2012 8:49:31 PM
>Subject: [tcb] Re: ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
>
>Actually stroke + high rod angle = high torque... ;-)
>
>On a 2007, HP will be closer to 100 but then again what kind of heads will the
>engine have? That's where the power and the heat comes from ultimately.
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>I vote for the Oakhill built 2007, either with one center mount weber or dual,
>your preference. I have one in the Baja. Absolutely perfect engine. Hot VWs
>is building a 2007 specifically for a bus (two part article, first part is in
>the latest issue). Stroke gives you torque, and that is what you need in a
>bus. One of our members also has one in his blue single cab that was at the
>Nac
>
>show. He also loves his. Depending on compression, cam, carbs etc. you are
>going to get 100 to 140 or so horsepower with a lot of torque. Not sure what
>gear ratios are in a bay, but you might want to look into what to do with the
>ratios in that tranny to take advantage of the additional power. You are
>probably looking at $3,500 plus for a long block from Oakhill, but you would
>have to talk to Daniel Watts for specifics. I personally cannot say enough
>about how great their 2007 is. I am working on turning 50,000 miles in mine
>which is in the baja.
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>>
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>________________________________
>From: "71Westy@xxxxxxxxxxx" <71Westy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: TCB@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Fri, April 13, 2012 10:48:07 AM
>>
>>Subject: [tcb] ideas for new engine for my 71 Westy
>>
>>
>>
>>Looking at a real engine for my 71 Westy. Tired of putting in the 1600DP.
>>
>>Would like reliabilty, torque and simplicity. At the NAC show , someone told
>>me
>
>>to look into a 2007 cc with a progressive carb.Dual carbs are a mystery to me
>>so
>>
>>the notion of a single carb got my attention.
>>
>>
>>Who builds those around here? Oakhill I think is who Greg mentioned.
>>
>>Other ideas welcomed for the engine. Anyone have a Westy with a 1776 in it to
>>test drive?
>>
>>Thanks, Trey
>>
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