[tcb] Re: Won't start
- From: Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:48:52 -0600
In this case we are discussing apples vs. oranges.
Y'all are all talking about points replacement devices. I am running a
bone stock 009 distributor with points. The only thing "electronic" is
the spark generator which is, effectively, just a "bigger coil".
With the MSD the wear on the distributor is actually reduced because
the points are only used as a switching device. With the stock
kettering setup the full 10,000+ volts goes through the points when the
coil fires which is what causes pitting when timing or dwell is off.
Using the MSD only 12 volts goes through the points to act as a
"trigger voltage" to tell the MSD when to send the high voltage shot to
the coil. No more pitted points. They only have to be replaced or
adjusted when the rubbing block wears down. keep that greased and you
could go decades on a single set of points.
I still don't know why it won't make even a little pop when timing is
set correctly (static) but the fact that it cranks and revs right up
when I manually advance the timing by moving the dizzy has been pointed
out as a possible stuck advancer or sheared shaft pin not letting the
mechanical advance do its thing.
I don't have another working 009 but I *do* have the Unilite from the
Raby motor. I hate to start raiding parts from it but both of my late
bays still need too much body work to be concerned about having a
running motor to plug in one of them.
Now *THAT* is an electronic (optical) ignition! ;-)
Should be warm enough for me to swap it in and test today. Gotta figure
out how to static time it.
I quit smoking right before Christmas and I'm discovering that the
nicotine was probably helping to regulate my ADD. I'm all over the
freakin' place right now with projects.
G2
On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:37:21 -0800 (PST)
sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> IMO no one should drive a VW with electronic ignition unless they
> carry a spare 009 with points/condenser to stick in when the
> electronic goes out.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robb <wuzmop@xxxxxxx>
> To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:55 PM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: Won't start
>
> All bets are off with the msd, IMO. Throw a conventional ignition in
> there and I bet it fires up. Something to be said for old school
> simplicity. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 11:52 PM, shirley
> hall <vwbuslady@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Looking back over posts.....
> Have found that I had adjusted static timing at "wrong end" of
> contact. Meaning that I rotated dizzy, got light but didn't realize I
> wasn't at the star of contact. Just a thought.
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Conrad Klahn <conradk@xxxxxxx>; To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Won't start Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 11:30:41
> > PM
> >I could see timing being off as the culprit, but you would think
> >that it would be obvious with static timing? - or wouldn't it?
> >
> >On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Gerald Livingston
> ><gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Fascinating ... ether has no effect at all. No fire, no backfire,
> >> nothing. What the snarf would stop fuel completely from getting
> >> through the intake to the plugs?
> >>
> >> G2
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:57:26 -0600
> >> Gerald Livingston <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don't have any ether at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> What would cause fuel to go down the throat of the carb and never
> >>> make it to the plugs?
> >>>
> >>> Pulled the 1/2 valve cover and the valves are moving (which I
> >>> assumed was the case anyway since I got compression readings).
> >>>
> >>> This is a single port 1600 with an H30/31
> >>>
> >>> G2
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 14:41:04 -0600
> >>> Conrad Klahn <conradk@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If it were flooding I think you'd see that on one of your spark
> >>>> plugs. Unless somebody gave you some crappy fuel, or you're not
> >>>> getting enough good fuel. If you use some starter fluid can you
> >>>> get it to cough?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Gerald Livingston
> >>>> <gerald.tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is
> beginning to piss me off
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Plugs gapped at .045 (I have a MSD installed)
> >>>>> Nice tan color
> >>>>> Spark big enough to knock a mule into next week
> >>>>> Static timing right on
> >>>>> I smell it flooding so there's fuel going somewhere
> >>>>> Compression 130 to 140 all the way around
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It. Will. Not. Fire.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nothing. Not even a cough.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have noticed it smelling richer over the last month or so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ideas?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> G2
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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