[talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Graham Longly" <longly@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:49:20 +0100
Ok this thread is now closed. This list is not the place for discussing
jaws, window-eyes, system access, council tax or the ethics or business
models of access tech companies its for talks and phone related issues. If
I was being really pedantic then we shouldn't be discussing k reader or
wayfinder here either but I haven't got a problem with that. And if the
persistent off topic ranting or messages of a personal nature continue I
will start unsubbing people. Ok let's get back to talking about talks.
Cheers!
Graham
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: 28 September 2009 08:32
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
They do the same things ecentially so yes. They do some things differntly
but the basic principles are the same.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: 27 September 2009 22:57
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
but they're not the same product though are they?
Alex
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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:33 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Think about it. Jaws and windoweyes. Ecentially the same product it
> does the same sorts of things. I've been using both for long enough to
> draw that conclusion. The lines of code are what's different. Also the
> business practices between the 2 companies mark certain differences.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
> Sent: 27 September 2009 20:38
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren, but there never are two businesses producing exactly the same
> product for the end user, or they'd be suing one another. Cheers Alex
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:09 PM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Neil if there's 2 businesses producing their version of exactly the
>> same product, 1 business moddle can produce it in such a way as to
>> make it affordable for the end user but the other one doesn't allow
>> for that then who is the cleverer for doing it? Who is the threat
>> because they have a successful business solution where by they can
>> charge the exact same price but allow others who couldn't for 1
>> second
>
>> pay that price all in 1 hit to have their product? It's a standard
>> thing now in the mainstream market. Everything from tv licences to
>> home and car insurance, entertainment systems bla bla bla. Businesses
>> recognise the obvious. So who's the fool for not recognising and not
>> undertaking such measures as to make their product financially
>> accessible to as many people as possible?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 15:02
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> In your view yes, there are trades people who spend months making one
>> piece of furniture, when they do this they can only churn out one
>> thing, they have to put enough profit on it to pay for their costs of
>> living over that time, I bet their profit on materials is way ofer
>> 50%.
>>
>> All I'm trying to do here is not disagree, but make the point to you
>> that just because one business does it doesn't mean the other that
>> does not is a fraudster or ripping everyone off.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:58
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Not an amount that drives the price up to a stupid level. For example
>> if the profit margin was 50% then that's way too much IMO.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:51
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down to
>> how much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much.
>>
>> For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I mean
>> costs us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting we're not
>> selling, which is another cost, the cost of not selling...
>>
>> How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to
>> have a lack of understanding of it;
>>
>> All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them to
>> market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made up on
>> one of two models;
>>
>> One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit.
>>
>> Is that a 0 on each third?
>> Or
>>
>> Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary
>> dealers
>
>> or distribution channels, marketing etc. So then it boils down to how
>> much the dealers will charge for their services doesn't it.
>>
>> I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where do
>> we draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How much
>> does someone make on a casio watch?
>>
>> The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. Also
>> you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose not to
>> have a screen reader. Poor argument. Let me tell you, the profit on a
>> Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a Casio watch is about 24%, this was
>> from figures in the economist last year, now if I'd have asked you
>> which was the biggest rip off, you'd have said the car, yet clearly
>> not so.
>>
>> So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS to
>> have.
>>
>> Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of FS
>> accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state that
>> they can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea as to
>> whether or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have the
>> funds in the bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders won't
>> allow it, maybe their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is desperate
>> for
>
>> the business so they'll do anything for it. Who knows.
>>
>> Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've certainly
>> found a good way of getting it don't you think? All I'm trying to do
>> here is stimulate the debate a little rather than FS bash...
>>
>> You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a
>> charity status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said FS
>> doesn't necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many companies,
>> your Father works for Indisit, an essential product the humble
>> washing
>
>> machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No doubt the CEO of
>> Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I don't see you bitching
>> about that. Again the point is, that there's various type of machine
>> out there that you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that
>> wide
>
>> ranging with screen readers? No.
>>
>> FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, they're
>> here as this is a market opportunity for them. No, they are here to
>> serve. They are tools for us to make use of. Nothing more or less. If
>> they don't serve then they go. It's as simple as that.
>>
>> You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut up
>> about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we all get
>> it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is overpriced, but
>> to be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps the majorities view,
>> but it's not compulsory for you to buy from them is it? No, but it's
>> a
>
>> fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not.
>>
>> There are thank goodness choices out there.
>> Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what
>> happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but
>> again the argument is flawed. Just like in practically all markets,
>> choice exists and the market dictates, get off your soap box on this
>> list about it please. No.
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll
>> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or
>> even gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people
>> would pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps
>> the market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a
>> jaws
>
>> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro.
>> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see
>> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their
>> products
>
>> more affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's
>> simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay
>> another company who produces and equivalent product at the same price
>> 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what is that person more
>> likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount
>> of
>
>> interest on top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was,
>> then I think you'd find less people wining and bitching about it
>> because it could be more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody
>> else is wrong.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't
>> mean that the majority are right.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to
>> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got
>> a
>
>> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has.
>> But even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely
>> so. Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win
>> here. There are more against this than are for it whether people like
>> it or not.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing
>> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax
>> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>>
>> Get over yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it
>> now!
>
>> got to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private
>> jet
>
>> don't you
>>
>> know?
>>
>> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
>> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but
>> as
>
>> far as I know
>>
>> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>>
>> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>>
>> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I
>> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than
>> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
>>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
>>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
>>> the cost down for the individual.
>>>
>>> It can be done.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> -
>
>>> TalkNav
>>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're
>>> assuming
>
>>> they want to sell it...
>>>
>>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>>> development actually costs.
>>>
>>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell
>>> your
>
>>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>>> when
>>
>>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>>
>>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility
>>> technology
>
>>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44
>>> 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come
>>> first
>
>>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>>> bundle
>>
>>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
>>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
>>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton
>>> of
>
>>> people to buy it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the
>>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just
>>> putting my point over!
>> To
>>> be
>>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry,
>>> you
>
>>> just can't get away from it.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>>> are
>>
>>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for
>>>> what
>
>>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>>> tins
>>
>>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>>> was
>>
>>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in
>>>> price.
>
>>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>>> like
>>>
>>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth
>>>> their
>
>>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>>> could
>>
>>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>>
>>>> -original message-
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>>
>>>> Darren,
>>>>
>>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the
>>>> cost
>
>>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>>> phone
>>
>>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's
>>>> well
>>
>>>> worth every penny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 Telephone outside the UK: +44
>>>> 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>>> to
>>
>>>> make it worth buying?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Neil
>>>>
>>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>>> -
>>
>>>> TalkNav
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>>> products?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>>> TalkNav
>>>>
>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>>
>>>> www.talknav.com
>>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>
>>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my
>>>> work
>
>>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82,
>>>> and
>
>>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>>> the
>>
>>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>>> weekend.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>>
>>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you
>>>> would
>
>>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>>
>>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>>
>>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>>> the
>>
>>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>>
>>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>>> helps
>>>
>>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>>> just
>>
>>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because
>>>> TextScout
>
>>>> is excellent on it.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve
>>>>
>>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what
>>>> you
>
>>>> have to say.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> Braille Specialist
>>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>>> Northampton
>>
>>>> NN3 6WD
>>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>>
>>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>>> point
>>>
>>>> where
>>>>
>>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it
>>>> comes
>
>>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>>> for!
>>
>>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
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