[talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:33:37 +0100
Think about it. Jaws and windoweyes. Ecentially the same product it does
the same sorts of things. I've been using both for long enough to draw
that conclusion. The lines of code are what's different. Also the
business practices between the 2 companies mark certain differences.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: 27 September 2009 20:38
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Darren, but there never are two businesses producing exactly the same
product for the end user, or they'd be suing one another. Cheers Alex
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From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:09 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Neil if there's 2 businesses producing their version of exactly the
> same product, 1 business moddle can produce it in such a way as to
> make it affordable for the end user but the other one doesn't allow
> for that then who is the cleverer for doing it? Who is the threat
> because they have a successful business solution where by they can
> charge the exact same price but allow others who couldn't for 1 second
> pay that price all in 1 hit to have their product? It's a standard
> thing now in the mainstream market. Everything from tv licences to
> home and car insurance, entertainment systems bla bla bla. Businesses
> recognise the obvious. So who's the fool for not recognising and not
> undertaking such measures as to make their product financially
> accessible to as many people as possible?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 15:02
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> In your view yes, there are trades people who spend months making one
> piece of furniture, when they do this they can only churn out one
> thing, they have to put enough profit on it to pay for their costs of
> living over that time, I bet their profit on materials is way ofer
> 50%.
>
> All I'm trying to do here is not disagree, but make the point to you
> that just because one business does it doesn't mean the other that
> does not is a fraudster or ripping everyone off.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:58
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Not an amount that drives the price up to a stupid level. For example
> if the profit margin was 50% then that's way too much IMO.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:51
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren,
>
> You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down to
> how much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much.
>
> For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I mean
> costs us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting we're not
> selling, which is another cost, the cost of not selling...
>
> How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make?
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren,
>
> For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to
> have a lack of understanding of it;
>
> All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them to
> market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made up on
> one of two models;
>
> One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit.
>
> Is that a 0 on each third?
> Or
>
> Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary dealers
> or distribution channels, marketing etc. So then it boils down to how
> much the dealers will charge for their services doesn't it.
>
> I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where do
> we draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How much
> does someone make on a casio watch?
>
> The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. Also
> you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose not to
> have a screen reader. Poor argument. Let me tell you, the profit on a
> Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a Casio watch is about 24%, this was
> from figures in the economist last year, now if I'd have asked you
> which was the biggest rip off, you'd have said the car, yet clearly
> not so.
>
> So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS to
> have.
>
> Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of FS
> accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state that
> they can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea as to
> whether or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have the
> funds in the bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders won't
> allow it, maybe their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is desperate for
> the business so they'll do anything for it. Who knows.
>
> Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've certainly
> found a good way of getting it don't you think? All I'm trying to do
> here is stimulate the debate a little rather than FS bash...
>
> You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a
> charity status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said FS
> doesn't necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many companies,
> your Father works for Indisit, an essential product the humble washing
> machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No doubt the CEO of
> Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I don't see you bitching
> about that. Again the point is, that there's various type of machine
> out there that you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that wide
> ranging with screen readers? No.
>
> FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, they're
> here as this is a market opportunity for them. No, they are here to
> serve. They are tools for us to make use of. Nothing more or less. If
> they don't serve then they go. It's as simple as that.
>
> You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut up
> about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we all get
> it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is overpriced, but
> to be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps the majorities view,
> but it's not compulsory for you to buy from them is it? No, but it's a
> fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not.
>
> There are thank goodness choices out there.
> Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what
> happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but
> again the argument is flawed. Just like in practically all markets,
> choice exists and the market dictates, get off your soap box on this
> list about it please. No.
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll
> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or
> even gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people
> would pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps
> the market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a jaws
> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro.
> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see
> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their products
> more affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's
> simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay
> another company who produces and equivalent product at the same price
> 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what is that person more
> likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount of
> interest on top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was,
> then I think you'd find less people wining and bitching about it
> because it could be more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody
> else is wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't
> mean that the majority are right.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to
> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got a
> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has.
> But even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely
> so. Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win
> here. There are more against this than are for it whether people like
> it or not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing
> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax
> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>
> Get over yourself.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now!
> got to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet
> don't you
>
> know?
>
> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as
> far as I know
>
> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>
> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>
> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I
> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than
> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
>> the cost down for the individual.
>>
>> It can be done.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming
>> they want to sell it...
>>
>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>> development actually costs.
>>
>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your
>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>> when
>
>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>
>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology
>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first
>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>> bundle
>
>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of
>> people to buy it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the
>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just
>> putting my point over!
> To
>> be
>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you
>> just can't get away from it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>> are
>
>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what
>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>> tins
>
>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>> was
>
>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price.
>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>> like
>>
>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their
>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>> could
>
>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>> to
>>
>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>> phone
>
>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's
>>> well
>
>>> worth every penny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>> to
>
>>> make it worth buying?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Neil
>>>
>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>> Welton House North Wing
>>> Summerhouse Road
>>> Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> -
>
>>> TalkNav
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Jackie,
>>>
>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>> products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>
>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>> the
>
>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>> through.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>
>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>
>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>
>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>> the
>
>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>
>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>> helps
>>
>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>> just
>
>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout
>>> is excellent on it.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you
>>> have to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>> point
>>
>>> where
>>>
>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>> for!
>
>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>> _
>>> _
>>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security
System.
>
>>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>> _
>>> _
>>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security
System.
>
>>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>> _
>>> _
>>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security
System.
>
>>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date:
>> 09/25/09 05:51:00
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
>> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
>> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2398 - Release Date:
09/27/09 05:51:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2398 - Release Date:
09/27/09 17:52:00
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